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The Lurker	Do barbel get riggy?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 476 (10/10/06 19:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Being a fully paid up member of the 'Trefor West three-foot twitch' philosophy I was surprised ( and concerned!) to hear my mate had witnessed a large barbel mouthing and rejecting his bait on a recent trip to throop. Stuart Morgan also refers to such behaviour in the John Baker book. Got to admit that my 'fish-eyes' can barely make out the fish - much less what is going on at the business end! How many of you have also personally witnessed such behaviour - and what steps did you take to eventually fool the fish? Regards Paul.
lesliefisherman	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#1	[-]
Posts: 2713 (10/10/06 19:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi,not a bit surprised seen it happen a lot,but a lot of anglers on here dont always believe it,but i go after the other species a bit more now,you know the clever fish that get caught with a wrappround bite.derek.
D Wingfield	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#2	[-]
Posts: 1957 (10/10/06 19:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Paul Although I can't see the fish on my river, I often witness the barbel indications that many on here would dismiss as being from chub, they certainly aren't and believe me ther IS a big difference, many times they are a warning before the proper bite comes. We have often talked between ourselves and came to the conclusion long ago that the barbel were in fact mouthing the bait. Best seen on a quiver tip but that's been done to death. Best Regards Dave
kevin ci	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#3	[-]
Posts: 511 (10/10/06 19:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Like Derek, I have also been fishing for other species and he is quite correct........Carp give great wraparounds!
D Wingfield	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#4	[-]
Posts: 1957 (10/10/06 19:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Kevin So do gudgeon................................ in the mouth of a 20lb Pike Best Regards Dave
lesliefisherman	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#5	[-]
Posts: 2713 (10/10/06 19:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi,i wondered where you was kevin,do you ever read all the contents of this site.
D Wingfield	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#6	[-]
Posts: 1957 (10/10/06 20:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well Kevin......do yah Best Regards Dave
trentbarbeler	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#7	[-]
Posts: 2143 (10/10/06 20:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Try this one out Dave, Fish on say a three foot hook link putting a bait on in the usual manner on the end. Now at 6 inch intervals place a blob of paste up the hook link. I'll bet you a gold clock you get a screaming run on one of the paste blobs first every time surging away but nothing there when you pick up the rod and strike. From that, go forth towards total elimination of "pluck" bites. Regards, Lee.
kevin ci	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#8	[-]
Posts: 511 (10/10/06 20:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Derek,alas No....... as much of it (not all) fails to fire my imagination or intrest However......... Anything you post........ I am hooked on every word{cheers Kev} Ps nice to see you back mate.......I've missed you!!
Slip59	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#9	[-]
Posts: 419 (11/10/06 08:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm not sure just how riggy they get (I spent years messing around with braided hooklinks, came back to mono and there's been no change) but they most definitely do not only give wrap-arounds. The very difficult, low barbel stock river I've targetted these last few years is a good example. The fish rarely get caught so they aren't riggy or have any reason to be particularly cautious but I've had a fair few fish now and only one has given what I would call a classic barbel bite. Sunday was a perfect example - the bait had been twitching and tugging for a while which I assumed was bream or chub or crays. Eventually I decided to strike at a very small pull and I was into a very good barbel for this river - past experience tells me if I'd left it to 'develop' as some folk insist I should then eventually the twitches and pulls would have stopped with no fish resulting. So if it moves - strike! Kev
scubasteve	Re: Do barbel get riggy?	#10	[-]
Posts: 4297 (11/10/06 09:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Surly if you hair rig a bait, Barbel been Barbel will take the bait (and hook) into their mouths by sucking (unlike Chub who pick items up in their lips, or so I'm told), turn downstream and the hook will nick them? Steve {confused of Bridgnorth} www.caravanonthesevern.co.uk
stuartcourt	Re: Do barbel get riggy?No!	#11	[-]
Posts: 382 (11/10/06 11:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As Steve says,with a hair rig if they take the bait in,the hook goes in with it resulting in a wrench round every time.They can't physically mouth at baits like chub do due to the shape of their gobs. Do they get riggy? Not as such,if they can't see,sense or feel the tackle then they will feed confidently.Riggy no,wary of something being not quite right,yes.
lesliefisherman	Re: Do barbel get riggy?No!	#12	[-]
Posts: 2713 (11/10/06 11:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi,i just think here that a few of you are forgetting that a barbel can and do[at times] mouth your bait and drop it in a blink of an eye,ive seen it and so have others,ime pretty certain thats why anglers like terry lampard and martin hooper are experts at hooking them,as they have about a second to do it,by holding the rod and watching them. many anglers cant fish this way due to the fact you cant see them,but of course not all the tiny plucks are from barbel,i would put that down to small chub,as i find that the big chub can give you a wrapround bite just like some barbel.derek.
The Lurker	Re: Can / Do barbel mouth baits?	#13	[-]
Posts: 476 (11/10/06 11:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for the replies chaps! Dave - I was one of those who most definitely would view such 'knocks' as chub or bream activity - it is my mates experience which has made me ponder! What I find interesting is that of over 230 views no-one has confirmed that they have personally witnessed such cagey behaviour! Is this really true? Oops - 'cept Lesliefisherman = sorry - crossed posts! Regards Paul.
SM	riggy	#14	[-]
Posts: 567 (11/10/06 12:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Have led on my stomache within 18" of a barbels head and watched it "pick" up a single small bait, widen its pecs and allow the flow to drift itself downstream, upon doing so the hooklength tightens and the bait is pulled out. I could even see the hook hanging outside the mouth. If a barbel picks up any bait is is usually by tiltings its head to one side and the bait is somehow gripped in the scissors. Have to say though that whilst they can do it, its only very rare and there is normally a reason for them to do it, ie angling pressure. Most of the time they suck the bait up and its all over. Regards Stuart M
scubasteve	Re: riggy	#15	[-]
Posts: 4297 (11/10/06 12:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Have to say though that whilst they can do it, its only very rare and there is normally a reason for them to do it, ie angling pressure. Most of the time they suck the bait up and its all over. Stuart (M) Any ideas what those annoying little 1 and 2 inch plucks on the rod top that I get on the Lower Severn? Are they "smaller" fish attacking the bait, or Barbel hitting the line and causing indications on the rod top? Or something else? Steve www.caravanonthesevern.co.uk
stuartcourt	Re: riggy	#16	[-]
Posts: 382 (11/10/06 12:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Steve.Are there any bream in your stretch? Stuart Do you think a short hooklength and very small bait such as small pellets super glued on the hair tight to the hook would get round this. I have seen them doing some strange things but never seen them mouthing at a bited rig and getting away with it.
scubasteve	Re: riggy	#17	[-]
Posts: 4297 (11/10/06 12:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Its not a known Bream stretch Stuart , but I have heard about the odd one or two turning up on GI's rod's. Steve www.caravanonthesevern.co.uk
bewdley2	Re: riggy	#18	[-]
Posts: 888 (11/10/06 12:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Have had those alot Steve on the middle, especially in the shallower fast spots. Has resulted somtimes in hooking small chub not many times bigger that the 22mil hali pellet. Very finnicky last night for my fishing pal. Very,very fast wrapp arounds resulting in hitting thin air! One bite a series of little knocks and tremours followed by a very, very lazy pull. Resulted in a very large fish that was lost at the net...I had a drop back bite that I had to step a pace back to stike, and I was fishing down stream!! So my conclusion for what it's worth is----There's no hard and fast rules on how they bite, but obviousely the wrapp around is by far the most common. There are times I think, when it pays to strike at any unusual movement, particually the vibrating tip type..Kindest..Jim.. ..
Mark ONeill	Re: riggy	#19	[-]
Posts: 1301 (11/10/06 13:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi jim! still meaning to write you that mail!! after watching fish feed at the start of the season i realised how much a fish has to pull to actually register a bite at all! While feeding huge carp, lots of bream and a smalll shoal of 5lbish barbel in the margins (about 2.5ft deep) i noticed most of them picking up my pellet, having a quick chew and then spitting it out. i had already tried striking early but to no avail so my plan was just to wait until one of them took the bait and gave me a run, hell thats what happens usually so i thought it was just a matter of time! For a couple of weeks i fished the same spot, and as i mentioned at the time it was a feeding hotspot for everything! i only ever caught bream, going from 5-7lb and even then i only ever had a small tremble on the rod tip. One of them was little more than a very slight wobble on the line, i struck and- fish on! My conclusion was that at any time you could have a good number of fish feeding in the swim and unless you could see what was happening you wouldnt have a clue. I feel that the water flow has to be a contributing factor, as the fish would have less time around the bait before the flow pushed them slightly off from where the bait was. Having a swim with access to both a weir pool and a millstream, within feet made me think about it. the fish in the millstream had hardly any flow to contend with so had much more time to fumble around with the food whereas the fish in the weir were just having to grab the bait as quick as they could giving a full wrap around bite. I may have deviated a bit but what im trying to say is that a bite indication really could be anything. you could have loads of fish on the munch and still blank- we are always waiting for the screaming run whereas there are many opportunities when fish have had hook bait in mouth and been easily catchable.... if only we knew when to strike. The only problem is i have picked the wrong moment many, many times myself and to strike at anything can cost a fortune using pva bags!!
adrian	Re: riggy	#20	[-]
Posts: 601 (11/10/06 13:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* The only problem is i have picked the wrong moment many, many times myself and to strike at anything can cost a fortune using pva bags!! Mark, Try this bloke, (But keep it to yourself). Adrian. Next Shropshire b/s meeting Nov 24. Speakers Fred Crouch & Steve Pope. P.M. me for details.

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