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ijakk	To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2101 (19/10/06 18:05) Banned User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None I'm a bit confused about frozen boilies, on the one hand in the John Baker book, he says don't ever re-freeze your baits but on the other, I hear from carp anglers and have read in a book recently that it's fine to re-freeze them. Now I've never received frozen bait through the post that has arrived any where near frozen, but I only ever defrost what I need for the day and then I chuck them out after that, but only because of what I have read in the JB book, so I've ended up wasting a lot of bait that probably wasn't necessary. So I was just wondering, what you do with your freezer baits, and if you do chuck them, whats your reasoning behind doing this? P.s I understand that milk protein baits are a definite no no as far as re-freezing goes can anyone tell me why ? Cheers Rich
davhall	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#1	[-]
Posts: 4191 (19/10/06 18:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	take a few out,use them and refreeze but only once and that go's for paste as well,for me anyway.
morston	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#2	[-]
Posts: 1748 (19/10/06 18:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What a surprise.....a bait company recommending you don't refreeze them These will be the same companies who produce such hype as: "I caught her after prebaiting with 5 kilo's of ******* boilies every night for 3 weeks"....... Just refreeze them. Most fish will eat any old @#%$...that is how they have survived for millions of years. As a heretic I even make my own from my own recipes ....they even fool the odd fish occasionally Cahal
D Wingfield	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#3	[-]
Posts: 1973 (19/10/06 19:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I agree with Cahal , what you should do however is buy a bag, use 1/4 bag, throw the rest away and go buy some more. It's so good for the struggling trade. Best Regards Dave
bgit	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#4	[-]
Posts: 4690 (19/10/06 19:02) bob gill administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Some interesting information on freezing and boilies as a starter here: Freezing If you do a search on 'Freezing Milk Protein Baits' you'll find loads more information. Certainly, years ago when I used to fish for carp and barbel with milk, fishmeal and seed baits I generally refroze them a few times, although I tried to take 'just enough' for the session. I have actually conducted a long term experiments on a fishmeal based bait and it caught despite being quite old (years) and in and out of the freezer a few times. Could depend on ingredients to a certain extent, but some that you purchase are more than likely to have been around in storage for quite a while. Bait companies - well most of them would recommend not to refreeze - or am I being cynical? Hope this helps, Cheers Bob
dr barbus	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#5	[-]
Posts: 1643 (19/10/06 19:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Some I refreeze, some I unfreeze and air dry, some go mouldy, most get used fresh from the freezer or even straight from the kitchen - ever tried warm baits - they work! Some get slung in the river and never bother to refreeze (err post-baiting if you like). Caught Tench, Bream, Carp, Barbel and Chub on all of the above. Even on multiple re-frozen milk proteins and mouldy baits. Yes it breaks those "fresh" bait rules, but catches. Shaun Harrison (Trowell of Nottingham) used to write (carp) articles are air drying frozens and mouldy baits a decade or so ago. Further back Paisley and Co used to harp on about Milks turning after 15 hours out of the freezer. And how a fresh batch of frozens were used to catch. The "Original" boilie articles (Fred Wilton) used to go on about keeping them frozen until ready to use. Pastes are a different matter - I make my own, freeze and use or chuck after each session - but view it as post-baiting! However, I once left some paste in the bottom of my rucksack that it turned into a BIG green furry ball, dropped it into the foot margins and the biggest carp in the lake took it from under my nose within 10 minutes - if only I had a hook attached to it! - Puts simply, if you have no confidence in refrozen baits sling them. - Dr Barbus That which is everybodys business is nobodys business.
bewdley2	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#6	[-]
Posts: 888 (19/10/06 19:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think the time to worry if your baits still anygood is when you stop getting bites on it..As Cahal say's fish can't afford to be too choosey........Kindest..Jim.. ..
morston	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#7	[-]
Posts: 1748 (19/10/06 19:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ey up Jim....Hope you are well On this topic....there are more than a few authors who have suggested that boilies can be better when they get a bit mouldy. Seems the only way is to do your own experiments. Personally....I always take a small bag of fishmeals and those that are not used are refrozen. I've got boilies in my bait freezer that are 5 years old (at least) and some of them have been refrozen several times...still seem to work though....on barbel and carp. Cahal
D Wingfield	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#8	[-]
Posts: 1973 (19/10/06 19:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* I've got boilies in my bait freezer that are 5 years old (at least) and some of them have been refrozen several times Now why does that not surprise me Best Regards Dave
morston	Re: To Re-freeze or not to Re-freeze	#9	[-]
Posts: 1748 (19/10/06 19:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Now why does that not surprise me I bet they would work just as well in spain Cahal
jonboy	Re:to refreeze or not	#10	[-]
Posts: 138 (19/10/06 19:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	If you think about it most fish will eat anything as their dinner table(river or lakebed) is covered in there own s**t so i don`t think that a bait which has been refrozen a couple of times or not really matters. In most cases it probably enhances it especially if you stick a drop of dip/flavor into the bag b4 popping them back into the freezer,a lot of people recommend that trick on good ole lunchon meat and by refreezing the meat several times helps to pull all the extra flavor into the bait. Personally i don`t bother no more and have used mistral shelf lifes for five years now,they seem to keep for ages and i keep most of my bait in the boot of the motor which keeps the wife happy as i no longer take up all the freezer space or stink the kitchen out with home made specials. It made me laugh as some well known bait firms always used to say that ready mades/shelf life baits were inferior but all of a sudden they have started making them!! At the end of the day it`s a confidence thing i think once you have found a good bait(i have)then stick with it rather than keep chopping and changing for this years wonder bait. John.
trentbarbeler	Re: Re:to refreeze or not	#11	[-]
Posts: 2143 (19/10/06 20:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I wonder, How far it is to India say? Thats about how far my boilees have travelled back and forth from freezer to river time after time after time. And those shelf lifeless contraptions stay fresh for about six months don't they once opened? I'm actually in the market for a freezer trolley so I can take a chest freezer down to the river and lob the lot in. Freezer as well tipped off a high bank with the lid propped open. Regards, Lee.
Twitcher	Frozen baits	#12	[-]
Posts: 1057 (19/10/06 20:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I generally take 20 - 30 home made freezer baits per session, which is normally far too much. As I mostly fish the same small stretch of river, I'll scatter the remaining bait in a couple swims on my way back to the car. I don't fish anywhere near as often as I'd like to, but at least the fish get a taste for it (In theory anyway)??? So my voting option would be 'Chuck em in' (rather than out). Neil
ijakk	Re: Frozen baits	#13	[-]
Posts: 2101 (19/10/06 21:13) Banned User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Cahal you have pretty much summed up my own thinking on this, now why on earth it's taken me so long to open my eyes is beyond me. I take it, that there is no reason then that you couldn't make your own boilies out of pre packaged frozen paste, I know this sounds daft but I don't like round boilies I prefer block baits chopped into cubes or pellets.
dr barbus	Re: Frozen baits	#14	[-]
Posts: 1643 (19/10/06 21:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Prepackaged frozen paste is also expensive. Why not make up a stack (kilos) of paste for boilie making. And freeze most of it for rolling/cubing/sphering etc later - saves on the tedium of an extended bait making session. Just roll sufficient for your immediate use. Freeze the rest until you can find time to roll the rest, Take a bag of paste from the feezer in the morning Roll and boil that up later that day, and back in the freezer as ready to use - or air dry OR: Boil immediately prior to fishing and use WARM baits! It might surprise you. - Dr Barbus That which is everybodys business is nobodys business.
David Craine	Re: Frozen baits	#15	[-]
Posts: 546 (19/10/06 21:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I have had the following experiences..After making halibut paste""on the bank" and using it, I have had quite good results, after freezing the paste and re-using it later, the bites dried up, I dont know if freezing kills some of the attractants, but to me it smells the same.I have persevered with frozen paste, but never had a touch, conversley,I have found that freezing Spam does not seem to make a bit of difference .
ijakk	Re: Frozen baits	#16	[-]
Posts: 2101 (20/10/06 10:36) Banned User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks Dr B I'll give that a try
The Thatcham Catcher	Re: Frozen baits	#17	[-]
Posts: 181 (20/10/06 15:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I generally don't re-freeze boilies more than a couple of times. Fresh boilies do have a rather better colour and smell. So I'm more confident on fresh bait. But paste, I think, cannot be effectively re-frozen. It is very noticeable that get a lot more bites on fresh paste than re-frozen - especially if it's been a warm day and the paste has, shall we say, "matured". If the paste has only been out of the freezer for a few hours on a short evening session I do sometimes re-freeze - but not more than once. Steve
thisisjohn	Re: Frozen baits	#18	[-]
Posts: 8631 (21/10/06 01:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	i refreeze bait without a second thought after cooling it back down in the fridge 1st, the only time i dont like refreezing baits is if i have an oil added in largish quantities, refreezing food for humans can be dangerous if not done correctly but this is far different than bait...j.w shelf life baits? would you eat shelf life food?
Andy Thatcher	Re: Frozen baits	#19	[-]
Posts: 6443 (21/10/06 10:19) andy thatcher administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* I'm actually in the market for a freezer trolley so I can take a chest freezer down to the river and lob the lot in. Freezer as well tipped off a high bank with the lid propped open. Now that is the biggest feeder or baitdropper I have heard of ! Refreeze, unless a milky. Cheers Andy
paul12345	Re: Frozen baits	#20	[-]
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