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Phil Adams	More braid questions I'm afraid	Lead	[-]
Posts: 555 (24/07/06 11:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I hope you guys can offer me some help please. Started my season with powerpro mainline 16lb approx (cant remember exactly) and powerpro 8lb hooklenghts. Got fed up with constant wrap ups around the rod tip and around the swivel, so have reverted to 12lb mono reel line with the same braid hooklinks. Still getting the hookink winding around the swivel which I think cost me a fish last night when the hooklink parted in the middle, probably weakened from the constant unravelling whilst fishing. My questions are: Would a coated braid reduce the tangles, or maybe some shrink tube or similar? When using coated braid, I understand you have to strip the coating in order to knot to the hook, does it work ok using the "KK" for hair rigs, I don't find braid that easy to put the stop into the loop at night. Thanks, Phil
paul4barbus	Re: More braid questions I'm afraid	#1	[-]
Posts: 4250 (24/07/06 12:05) paul whiteing BFW Team Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Phil *Quote:* Got fed up with constant wrap ups around the rod tip This is interesting. I usually, on the Kennet, fishing with c'pin and 1oz, have very few wraps around the tip. But on the Trent last week, using a c'pin and 2oz (empty) feeder, 4oz? full, I was plagued with wraps and had to change my casting method. Haven't quite decided why it happened, maybe something to do with heavy weight and loose line whilst the feeder was in the air (casting 15-20yds)? *Quote:* Would a coated braid reduce the tangles, or maybe some shrink tube or similar? It certainly made a lot of difference to me. I used to use Silkworm and suffered tangles mainly when casting just that bit further than normal. I have used Stealthlink for a few seasons now and can honestly say have no tangles at all. Incidentally, I leave all the coating intact, the stripping back to create hinges and that stuff is not for me, I cannot see it makes a difference in a flowing water, but what do I know . I catch a fair number of fish so can't be that wrong? *Quote:* When using coated braid, I understand you have to strip the coating in order to knot to the hook, does it work ok using the "KK" for hair rigs ...... I do NOT strip the coating before tying. KK to hook and grinner to swivel. Only thing is that going twice through the eye of a hook, obviously depends on the size of the eye. *Quote:* I don't find braid that easy to put the stop into the loop at night. I now tie a large loop on the hair, with the knot under the whipping of the KK, rather than the small loop I used to use. It is much easier to pull through with a baiting needle, I find, and with the coating intact, even easier. paul4
Phil Adams	wow	#2	[-]
Posts: 555 (24/07/06 12:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Paul, You've answered all my questions and confirmed what I suspected in some cases. I'm sure the wrap ups were aggravated by using a heavier feeder or lead along with quivertips. I'm sure there is a point in the cast where the tip is recoiling from the intitial fling forward which causes the line to go all over the place until the weight catches up and and pulls the line straight. Perhaps I need to keep the rod tip higher until the bait has settled. I will certainly try coated braid, do you thind it would pass twice through an 8 or 10 hook? Thanks again Phil
Barbus Burkus	Re: wow	#3	[-]
Posts: 155 (24/07/06 13:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Phil - I've got two types of coated braid you are welcome to try a length of. Stealth Skin, which is neutral buoyancy so can require a bit of putty to pin it down, and Heavy Skin, which is meant to be a sinking braid. The core of the Heavy Skin is multi-filament so I leave the coating on the hair loop to make it easier to get on and off a hair needle. Both are made by the same company (Gardner) Remind me if I forgot to mention it when I next see you Ed
Phil Adams	coated braid	#4	[-]
Posts: 555 (24/07/06 14:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Ed, did you get any more last night??? Thanks for the offer, I have ordered a spool of ESP Striptease to try (you get some funny results when you google that one!). It would be good to try another for comparison though. Best regards Phil
barbelwalker	Re: coated braid	#5	[-]
Posts: 507 (24/07/06 14:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You could push an inch or two of slicone tubing onto the hooklength before attaching the swivel. Once the hooklength is attached to the mainline then just slide the tubing up over the swivel to leave a short boom at the top of the hooklink. Works for me with Silkworm. It is important to use the right diameter silicone tubing to grip the swivel nicely. Mark
paul4barbus	Re: coated braid	#6	[-]
Posts: 4250 (24/07/06 14:58) paul whiteing BFW Team Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Phil Twice through the eye of an 8, Drennan Continental Boilie hook and also Continental Starpoint, both ok. Sorry, don't use 10s. paul4
tonystone79	Re: coated braid	#7	[-]
Posts: 344 (25/07/06 21:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I use fox mask coated braid in 15lb with around 4inchs uncovered and around 6-8 inchs covered, in a combi-rig fashion, this create a hinge of soft braid, but a stiff coating keeping the bait away from the lead, which I why I like it. I have never had this tangle, but saying that I have not had flourocarbon tangle either which I use most of the time.
Andy Davies	Re: coated braid	#8	[-]
Posts: 2995 (25/07/06 21:48) andy davies administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fox make some neat rig sleeves to help prevent tangles, I prefer shrink tube usually though. Coated braids - i tend to tie the KK without stripping, then remove a little afterwards. Andy
Phil Adams	Re: coated braid	#9	[-]
Posts: 555 (26/07/06 08:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Out last night with my ESP Striptease, was impressed with the knotting of it, seems to grip like a mother. I used it completely covered, along with a short silicone sleeve covering the swivel link, and it worked beautifully. Accounted for my Thames PB of 9lb and an ounce. Wouldnt pass twice through a size 10, but just squeezed through an 8. Thanks for the help guys, problem solved. Phil
mikevwilson	Re: coated braid	#10	[-]
Posts: 860 (26/07/06 09:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Phil Well done on your PB. Mike
Phil Adams	Re: coated braid	#11	[-]
Posts: 555 (26/07/06 10:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Mike, catch up with you soon. Phil
tonystone79	lower, middle or upper	#12	[-]
Posts: 344 (26/07/06 12:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What breaking strain Striptease did you get mate?? Might give it a try
Phil Adams	Re: lower, middle or upper	#13	[-]
Posts: 555 (26/07/06 13:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi Tony, 12lb BS, and using it with 15lb mono mainline with a running lead so if it all goes wrong, the fish won't get tethered. Only thing is....... in real terms though, there is no obvious difference between the coated braid and a mono hooklength, I think the real advantage is that it gives you the chance to fish the combi rig, but using it all coated it seems to behave similarly to mono. But of course the coating is heavier than water and so sinks unaided. But it certainly did the business for me last night. Phil
tonystone79	lower, middle or upper	#14	[-]
Posts: 344 (26/07/06 13:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sounds good mate, I tend to use coated braids more for combi rigs anyway, other than all coated, so will get some next time im in the tackle shop and give a go.
vedder	tip	#15	[-]
Posts: 332 (26/07/06 14:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	if u are leaveing the coating on ,just before u pull the grinner knot tight just give it a lick.it tightens harder and alot smoother and doesnt remove any coating during the proceeding
Phil Adams	Re: tip	#16	[-]
Posts: 555 (26/07/06 15:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Vedder, I am using the Knotless on the hook, and a palomar the other end. I can't do the grinner with my sausage fingers, is a palomar ok? Thanks Phil
tonystone79	knots	#17	[-]
Posts: 344 (26/07/06 17:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I use the figure of 8 knot to create a loop, for my hooklengths, and I attatch it using a korda kwiklink a small piece of silicone. All of my hooklengths are created like this that way i can change it quickly, and also if I use a dynamite stick I can attatch it quickly also.

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