And worse, a good many of us allow them to prosper.
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Paul Boote |
Indeed | ||
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"The world is full of sad, mannerless, little bullies."
And worse, a good many of us allow them to prosper. |
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Damian Kimmins |
Re: Indeed | ||
Quote: Never a truer word spoken Paul. If more people had the courage to do something about it, the world would be a far better place. Well done Graham on standing up for what you believe in. I remember a line from a song Iron Maiden did years ago; 'Blood is freedom's stain!' Sometimes you have to fight! Never give up Graham! The reason for him to attack you in the first instance was because he has no other answer to your persistence in getting what is right. He is on the back foot! "Whilst developing creativity, also cultivate receptivity.
Retain the mind like that of a child, which flows like running water. When considering any thing, do not lose its opposite." Lao Tzu |
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albert watkinson |
Re: Indeed | ||
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get stuck in
albert |
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trentbarbeler |
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Dear Graham,
Before I make a comment, here is a link that no doubt will help you see things a lot more clearly concerning the "legal" responsibilities committees "MUST" adhere to. Not just the committee as a whole, but each and every member and officer member elected or, "NONE" elected members such as co-opted ones! This law applies as much to none paid committees as much as it does to commercial ones within organisations such as LTD Companies or PLC Boards. Not many probably know that fishing club committees, indeed "all" committees once formed officially, have rules they "MUST" abide by in law. Sorry about the sheer volume of the information I've linked here Graham which is around 50,200,000 pages all related to "Legal Responsibilities for Committees". And whilst it is a massive read, you should find something in there which pertains to your present circumstances. Here it is then on; www.google.com/search?sou...committees For the greater part Graham, UK fishing clubs run pretty smoothly being headed and run by elected committees working for their club and members interests democratically. I myself presently sit on six such committees. Trouble can, and sometimes does, arise within a tiny minority of these committees when they A, Get granted extraordinary powers and B, have committees prepared to exploit such powers in the detrimental interest of the clubs membership. A, is extremely rare and B, makes such a thing even rarer as the two hardly ever coincide together. I cant and wont comment on the particular circumstances surrounding your individual grievance with the club concerned Graham simply because accounts from both aggrieved parties in the case you describe do not appear on this thread. I would in fact though welcome the club concerned giving any official stance they have over this seeing as youve chosen to bring it into the public domain? However, and this is the point of my post as you asked for advise, I would look very carefully at the links Ive given for any way forward open to you as I dont believe a solicitor is your first best option OK. Regards, Lee. |
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mikevwilson |
Re: Battle | ||
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Fighting Fund.....................???
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trentbarbeler |
Re: Battle | ||
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The money would be nice Mike but I'm not fighting anyone. Thanks anyway.
Regards, Lee. |
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mikevwilson |
Re: Battle | ||
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Hi Lee
Well in the best traditions of BFW a drinking fund then........... WBC members can take Graham for a beer or two or three. Take care Mike |
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RollTheBaits |
Re: Battle | ||
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Why not just be a Cemex member and go fishing?
Graduate in Barbelology - Kennet University.
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MAXIMUS BARBULAS |
Re: Battle | ||
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Chin up Graham, as much as I enjoy jangling your chains in jest
Twyford are bang out of order, fishing elsewhere is an option. But, why should you give them the satisfaction? As has been stated, your clear of any wrong doing and should fight your corner and be able to carry on fishing Twyford's waters by your own choice or not if you chose. As much as I can see the attraction of walking away and forgetting the whole thing, you shouldn't have to. I think there is too much apathy already in angling and if it is something you believe worth fighting for, fight for it! |
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Paul Boote |
Battle | ||
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"I think there is too much apathy already in angling [P.B.: "Why?"] and if it is something you believe worth fighting for, fight for it!"
Yup. |
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Graham Elliott |
Crooks | ||
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I understand another senior Committee member has now resigned at his disgust at my treatment.
I will not add more detail currently. I have had a tremendous response to this. Thank you all. Bit Choked. I am looking at options and hope that TDFC full members, who feel strongly about this can help in the near future. 3 ex Committee members are offering full support. I understand the Chairman has put a response to members queries on the TDFC website. Can anyone with access put it on here, so for once, I may have a chance to respond! Lastly, and I apologise if this is getting tedious. Three members of the Committee that voted for a ban on my attacker, then proceded to allow him to fish 2 matches with them, one on TDFC waters....!!!!! The Committee (including them!) in their deliberation on this serious matter decided to give them for their collusion, not 1 years ban, not 1 months ban, not 1 weeks ban. Yes, you have guessed it. Nothing. Rather illustrates my initial point about a "group" controlling the club. Graham |
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kjpawsey |
Re: Crooks | ||
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STF as they say here in the US...(Scre* the $*$!er's!)
Kev |
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Fred |
Chairman's summary | ||
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I am issuing this statement to inform members who use this forum as to how the Committee has dealt with this issue. I hope in the process to correct some misinformation that is contained in some other postings on this site and elsewhere.
The verbal and physical exchanges involving Dave Wightman and Graham Elliott that followed the AGM in April were considered in detail by the Committee at the scheduled Committee Meeting on Wed 10 May 2006. Dave Wightman and Graham Elliott were given the same opportunity to present their case. Dave did so in person and produced two statements supporting his account of events. Graham had a pre-arranged holiday and agreed with me in advance of the meeting that he was happy to have his account submitted in writing. Two statements supporting his account of events were also presented to the meeting. Having considered the evidence presented and debated the issues vigorously, two matters were voted upon. The first confirmed that the penalties for Dave and Graham should differ, with Daves being the greater. The second decided that Dave Wightman should be banned from TDFC membership for seven years, Graham Elliott for five. Grahams ban meant that he was unable to take up the Treasurer role to which he had been elected at the AGM. John Green has kindly returned to the role, although he is happy to relinquish it at the next AGM should a viable candidate emerge. Several weeks later it came to my attention from several sources that Dave Wightman had been fishing TDFC matches, by getting another member to purchase a Guest Ticket for him. This was absolutely not the intention when the ban was put in place, so this was stopped immediately that I became aware of this practice. I wrote to Dave Wightman and Graham Elliott to confirm that the ban meant: 1. Banned members are not allowed to fish any Twyford & District Fishing Club waters as a guest of a member, in a match or otherwise, for the duration of the ban. 2. Banned members are not allowed to fish matches on Twyford & District Fishing Clubs waters as a member of a visiting club for the duration of the ban. 3. Banned members are not allowed to represent the Twyford & District Fishing Club in away fishing matches, for the duration of the ban. I also wrote to Match Secretary Vic Sexton to make these conditions absolutely clear. He has confirmed to the Committee that they will be observed. As a result of approaches from several Committee members and other members through June, the issue of the penalties imposed on Graham Elliott and Dave Wightman was added to the agenda for the most recent Committee Meeting, which took place on Wed 19 July. After a vigorous and at times heated debate, a vote was taken and the proposal to review the penalties was defeated. It was therefore not possible to allow Graham Elliott to present his appeal in person, which was his intention. At the Committee meeting Fisheries Officer, Arron Mulvany, and General Committee Member James Fish resigned. George Smith had already tendered his resignation prior to this last meeting. No decisions have been made about replacing these members on the Committee. Item 3 in the Club Constitution allows the Committee to invite people to take up Committee posts that fall vacant during the year, but requires that such decisions are supported positively by members at the next AGM. In view of the recent turmoil on the Committee, I believe we should take some time to consider options. Anyone interested should contact me. Regarding Trustees, all four are still in place (Colin Rumney, Peter Lewis, Bill Bourner and Graham Elliott) despite some rumours to the contrary. Graham has the right to remain a Trustee even though he is not a member now, following his ban. Under article 9 of the Constitution, Trustees may only be removed by a two-thirds majority vote at an AGM or an EGM. This has been an extremely difficult sequence of events for the Committee to deal with, with some very strongly divided opinions. In these situations it is inevitable that there will be a number of members who will disagree with the outcome. All I can offer to those people is my assurance that the processes we have followed have been based on the Clubs Constitution and Rules wherever possible and that democratic principles have been observed. Stuart Spindler Chairman, TDFC |
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kjpawsey |
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Heated exchanges are part of the democratic process; no one should be banned for having an opinion. Initiating physcial abuse is a different matter entirely, no matter what the provocation. It is what seperates a civilised society from one still stuck in the dark ages. Looks like only one party was investigated by the police?
From an outsiders perspective, with no interest in the club whatsoever, it still appears to be a kangaroo court despite the well crafted smoke screen above. It would be interesting to note how you took into account, what each member had postively contributed to the club during their membership before passing 'sentence'. Normal courts normally take past actions/behavours into consideration (as experienced when I was on Jury Service). Kev |
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thetrentrotter |
Re: Chairman's summary | ||
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How funny
Get our Derek up there on the jury to give them a good mouthful, i say! Trenty Twenty |
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lesliefisherman |
Re: Chairman's summary | ||
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hi,to busy fishing.
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PhilB |
Chairmans Summary | ||
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Dear Fred
Could you please fill your profile in, as at present you could be any Tom, Dick, Harry or Fred, claiming to be "in the know" or "Chairman of this that and the other". Without your profile and because of anonymity your post holds no credence whatsoever. My profile is filled in so people know who they are talking to, and what i'm about. Nothing sinister in asking this question, it's just nice to know that the person who is asking you to believe what they write is actually the person they are claiming to be. |
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Captain red |
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That big word compromise and maybe none of this would have happened in the first place! Has the club just ironed over the cracks, for it to just open up again in th future? I have been on a committee before (not fishing related) and all problems were DISCUSSED until BOTH sides were happy, however long it took. Has it happened here? This has got clearly out of hand! Can't it be sorted out without long bans?
Keith |
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Severn Wanderer |
Re: Chairman's summary | ||
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PhilB,
Hi, I'm not sure who 'Fred' is but as a T&DFC member I, as I'm sure can others, can confirm that statement as being exactly as posted by the club secretary on the T&DFC members forum. Under the circumstances and bearing in mind the way the commitee conducts itself I can understand that 'Fred' would wish to remain anonymous. Cheers Paul |
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thisisjohn |
Re: Graham Elliott - a Statement. | ||
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What a Great Reward for loyalty and Effort!!
A 5 Year Ban and a few kicks in the back for good measure nice going Twyford, whats the encore? Graham mate, tell em where to shove their trustee position mate and tell em at same time look elsewhere when they next need someone to guide em out of the mire of extinction mate, and sue the other geezer for all you can for the nervousness of going out alone he has caused you by his attack from behind mate |
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