Made from all his own base mix and additives but have not had much luck on them.
Has any one done better than me and my mate and if so how do you rate it.
Or is it just old hat now.
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manu31999 |
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Posts: 1173 (05/06/06 16:34) |
I have been using john Baker boilies paste.
Made from all his own base mix and additives but have not had much luck on them. Has any one done better than me and my mate and if so how do you rate it. Or is it just old hat now. |
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Wurzel |
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Nigel,
I never had any luck with the baker stuff even with a recipe from a well known angler (thanks s.m), although i know a few anglers have done well. However, i have had a lot of success with Hinders Blitz, which although made to a recipe by Shaun Hodges at Hinders, is produced by Glenn at John Baker Baits with Bakers high quality ingredients. Wurzel http://www.barbelzone.co.uk/
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manu31999 |
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Posts: 1173 (05/06/06 17:35) |
Do you ever fish Lacock or Limpley stoke if so many be we can may bump in to each other one day.
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Twitcher |
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Not had much luck on the JB confectionary mixes i.e. Frost and Flood and Krunch. I was a little miffed at how much I forked out for the recommended recipes i.e. 4 liquid additives. Total cost well over £40, and this after a couple of people told me not to bother anyway
I'm not in a position where I can undertake a regular baiting campaign, so my baits need to be fairly instant. In terms of off the shelf mixes, Mainline baits is my preferred option. Neil |
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Wicked Willy |
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Hi guys
I think it's the same as carp. Some mixes and flavours will work on a consistant basis. others will sometimes produce and not others, I mixed up peticular concoxcion of flavours and attractors from the carp company, had 21 runs in a day session, on three occassions. Total cost of the liquids was £70, when they run out, changes bait. Sure I caught, but best was 8 runs for 5 fish.sometimes, 2 takes two fish. went back to the original flarour combo's and 14 runs again. So what will work on say the Thames for barbel really effective will proberly be a good bream bait. The same may on take the occasional fish elsewhere. They are (barbel) wild creatures and have to eat to survive. Just use what you have confidence with. Regards Ray |
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bb king |
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I started off with JB's 'standard' recipes and caught. I have since 'tweaked' to my own recipes and still caught.
Take from that, that the JB 'recipes' are a starter for 10. Lots of people start there and move on to their own which, to give it its terminology, gives it your 'signature'. However, how many signatures there are on all our rivers is anybodies guess Confidence and perserverance are the key elements Gary SKYPE me - bb king or bfw_bbking
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thisisjohn |
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Why not try BFWs own wakas
they work fine for a lot of guys on BFW mate |
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kevin ci |
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Ask yourself onething..........if everyone as in the past posts and again now, say they have not done well on john Baker gear,why is he still going strong and many anglers are still coming back for more?
I think the problem most have is using and applying it correctly in the first place...........I'll say no more! kev |
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sneydbill |
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I have found that the Alar salar flavour works but not the Search 4. However I have had more success on Trigga and el cheepo Monster Crab shelf lifes. But most success of all has come from halips glugged in salmon oil.
I wouldn't again bother buying expensive base mixes as I have discovered that a cheap homemade semolina and fishmeal with a bit of five pints powdered milk bit of marmite bit of curry powder some molasses drop of salmon oil bit of brewers yeast etc, works just as well. I now spend my hard earned, on flavours rather than base mixes. Next investment will be oily chicken flavour to use with my homemade base mix. If you believe that expensive base mixes work best then go ahead. But ask yourself why the ingredients are never listed on the packets. Could it be that they are mostly semolina fishmeal etc etc I might be an old cynic but find it hard to believe that a barbel has any thought processes which enable it to distinguish any more than, YUM YUM this smells like food and I know from experience that it is not dangerous to eat. They don't know how much CSL or Betaine or how many different types of fishmeal or seaweed there are in a mix or that if they eat their spinach they will grow up to be big strong boys and girls or that if they eat their crusts their scales will curl. They may be able to associate the shape of your bait with danger or perhaps the colour far too many barbel have been witnessed exiting a swim rapidly if it contains bright yellow sweetcorn for this to be just a coincidence and i am also fairly certain that certain flavours do become blown. However they will have their day again when Boris's memory becomes dim. I like a T bone because it tastes and smells good and gets my juices going. I eat salad because I am intelligent enough to know it's good for me. lets face it lettuce tastes like c**p. The most intelligent animal I have kept is the pig, far cleverer than any dog I have ever owned. My old pig never turned her nose up at anything which smelled or tasted right. She would never eat onions or tomatoes even tho I kept telling her they were good for her cos of all the vitamin C. She never once bothered to ask me what it was she was eating, anything she didn't like the taste or smell of was left in the trough. If dogs knew what really went into their tin of food would they eat it? Would they care? Would your dog eat prunes if it was constipated? Why do you have to disguise worming tablets in a bit of meat? Dont credit human intelligence into other species they really ain't that clever. If they like the smell or taste and dont associate it with danger they will eat it. A bit like me really I like a vindaloo but I know I will suffer for it the next morning but I eat it all the same cos I like the taste and will worry about the ring of fire tomorrow. If you read the adverts behind some of these new boilie recipes you'd think that the fish have a degree in nutrition. They are only fish! Don't become a bait tart! Concentrate on location and watercraft. Bill |
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bb king |
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Bill,
that has got to be one of your best posts yet Many a true word and all that.... Now, your recipes... care to divulge Gary SKYPE me - bb king or bfw_bbking
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thisisjohn |
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Alar Salar, great flavour, i origionally got this from the sadly departed Keith Sellick of Middlesex angling centre about 25 years ago
in fact keith actually showed me how he mixed it, at J Bakers Prices its a pretty dear product when you see how much halibut oil & salmon oil you can get for the same money Meat Ball is another flavour Keith used to make, Both great flavours based on natural stuff, nothing much new in baits when you dig in far enough, find a cheap new item of flavour or base mix ect, advertise it enough, hand out the freebies to enough successful anglers, get a bit of exposure in the angling press about catches wakas i am impressed with however, we tested these on the wye and they worked for sure as a few here know only too well |
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barbeltastic |
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I can't comment about JB baits as I don't use them, though I have a mate who uses them very successfully. Nowadays I mostly fish the Wensum, which is small and intimate river with the fishing often being very visual in nature. I'll not divulge what manufacturers baits I'd used previously, but suffice to say that until last season I'd never experienced a bait that was so good that it could actually switch on spooked fish and bring them back to the table until they totally lost the plot and fed with abandon. Previously it had been a matter of spooked fish remaining spooked for the rest of the day, and very rarely could you entice them back into feeding with abandon. This included using some acknowledged first-class frozen ready-mades manufactured by highly reputable companies.
Last season I used a boilie from the DT stable that, as far as I am aware, no one else was using. Results using it were not instantly impressive, unless I fished it over a bed of pellets spiked with the same flavours. Before long however, after regularly pre-baiting several swims with it, my results started suggesting that the pellets were no longer necessary. One day while not actually fishing, I broke up a few of these boilies and threw them in to settle on the gravel upstream of a large raft. Before long three big barbel were happily feeding on it, but 45 mins later, and surely long after everything had been cleaned up, the same three fish were still furiously turning over the gravel looking for more. Now I'd personally never seen a response like this before and it gave me total confidence in this bait which was well rewarded. Needless to say, I will be using it again this year. I don't know precisely what ingredients are in this mix, except that it includes pre-digested fishmeal's, but the fact remains that it works, proof of which is that using the pellets alone did not have the same effect, even when spiked with the same flavours. The point of putting this post up is simply to say that IMO there are instant baits that have little longevity and there are food baits that give better results as they become established. And IMO fishing for barbel bares this out more than any other species. |
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sneydbill |
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Gary the recipies are very much as I said. I ain't very scientific about it, just go for a basic 50/50 mix and add in a bit of flavour and smell, marmite, yeast, molasses, garlic powder. bit of this bit of that. my problem is I can never remember what I put in them exactly.
I formulated mine from readily available recipies on carping sites on t'internet. All this rubbish about texture drives me bonkers crunchy boilies indeed. The fish don't know they're crunchy until they're in their gob by then it's too late. can a fish tell a bait is crunchy by anything else than the smell? Ever walked past a chip shop and your mouth began to water cos of the smell? Best bought boilies I have ever used have been the old Trigga and the Monster Crab. I still use the Trigga because I can't work out what the flavour is. If I knew what the smell/flavour was I would use my own base mix and just buy the flavour. The only trouble with Trigga is that the chub home in on it before the barbel can get there. I had my one and only Dove carp on Trigga as well. Yet I rarely hear Trigga being mentioned as being an effective bait on this forum. Perhaps they are unfashionable? I do know that when the fish are not feeding Trigga, pellet, homemade recipies don't work but I don't blame the bait I blame myself for wrong swim wrong time etc. maybe even wrong moonphase? Bill |
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krisprice 100 |
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Totally agree with the above. A few years ago i spent a season using frost and flood and the original JB mix. The former was much more instant on the river i was fishing and to be honest if it wasn't for word of mouth mentioning other fantastic baits i probably wouldn't have changed, it certainly hadn't blown.
It's all about faith in what you're using, providing you're applying the bait properly for the purpose then it should work. A good fishmeal i've found is all you need and if regular feeding can be applied you're onto a winner. Having nearly exhausted the supply from a last lot of mix bought between several people i've been looking at trying a cheaper alternative than the usual manufacturers mixes, something maybe along similar lines as Bill. As i plan to bait quite heavily on a large river i'm looking for a mix that is easier on the pocket but can fill the thousands of fish in my stretch. Problem is when i've finally decided on a recipe its going to take an age to make it. Sorry to digress but how easy is it to set up an air compressor for a sausage gun, don't it just make your hand hurt after a couple of mixes! Do you need a special connection? I've read somewhere that solar?? do a 4 way nozzle to extract the bait with but not seen one anywhere. JW maybe shed any light on the above? I'll end up spending my time in the kitchen instead of on the bank at this rate |
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Kris, i am a little out of touch with boilie making these days but, if you can locate an old butchers sausage filler
(small one)these can be picked up for about £20-£30 secondhand if you can source one, just crank the handle and it will fly out of the nozzle mate, they used several different sized bore nozzles too |
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albert watkinson |
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given the jb a fair trial and never had any success with it.i am like bill with the 50/50 mix and tart it up.had some nice fish on my own mixes.not big by today's standards just this side of 8lb.hey john talking about sausage filling .wish i had a fiver for every pound i made.nice to hear you.
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Jonny Fairweather |
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Likewise. Never had much luck with JB stuff, annoying as i still have a few kilo of base mix in the cupboard. And a load of their flavours...
It's amazing how the advertising, added to the Morgan & Robb vids can get you (or me) to buy anything. Dynamites Source has always done okay for me. This year Im trying CCMoores, Meteor freezer baits. But, I don't know if they work, yet. Fieldtesting results were good though. |
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lesliefisherman |
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hi,bill you summed it all up in your last sentence,
location,watercraft.cheers derek. |
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thisisjohn |
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arms like an irish navvy eh albert mate
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lesliefisherman |
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nash baits anyone.derek.
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sneydbill |
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Question if WAKAS are a good bait (and I don't doubt that they are) wouldn't a 50/50 mix using the same flavours be just as effective?
You know the kind of thing a bit of crab or frankfurter flavour a bit of robin red etc etc. or is there something in else in them which gives them a particular scent? And has anyone worked it out yet? There is a company called the Lincolnshire Peeler Crab Co advertising on ebay and I am very tempted to try some of their products. Four and twenty peeler crabs baked in a pie (boilie) Anyone else been down this particular avenue? Their peeler crab must smell very crabby. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who knows what gives Trigga it's smell/taste. Someone told me its liver but I'm not sure. Bill |
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