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Zanderman	EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 563 (04/04/06 19:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hi All An interesting news item on the TV this evening. The EEC are to take action through the courts to reduce the "Unacceptable amounts of raw sewage introduced into the river Thames". This is indeed a good day for The Thames and its wildlife. Strange that it is the EEC and not the EA; the so called guardian of our waterways. Any comments chaps? Tight Lines I have seen the Mississippi. That is Muddy water. I have seen the St Lawrence. That is Crystal water. But The Thames is Liquid History. ( John Elliot Burns)
Mike W	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#1	[-]
Posts: 815 (04/04/06 19:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good news! I suppose the EA can't bite the hand that feeds it by demading expensive action (pathetic I know). The money needed to build this big sewage pipe thing is frightening, but how much does an aircraft carrier cost? In this particular case I'm pro European, even though I'm a northern black pudding eater. . There again, I live close to the Mersey, which has improved massively since they started to pump the sewage out to sea - Bass and Smoothhound can be caught from near the Pier-Head now. It's disgusting that raw sewage flows through our capital city and it makes no sense for reasons environmental, political and economic. cheers Mike
mikevwilson	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#2	[-]
Posts: 860 (04/04/06 19:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Keith Do you really think that the EEC will actually take action? I wouldn't hold your breath if I was you. If it was true the writs would have been issued by now and be served by tomorrow morning. The amount of sewage discharged in the Thames is in the public domain so there should be no excuses. The low water flow makes this even more critical. Lets see what happens shall we? Mike
Mattharvey1	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#3	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/04/06 19:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good news indeed Keith, I wrote to Thames water at the time of the Big spill (Aug 2004) to express my disgust so it's nice to see it worked !!! ... Jokes aside, there was an article in the Evening Standard today saying that a 30 year project to reintroduce Salmon into the Thames may be abandoned as not one of these fish has been found to have spawned last year. Darryl Clifton-Dey runs the Thames Salmon Rehabilitaion scheme for the EA and he believes that the most likely cause for them not coming back is the storm surges that release raw sewage into the river along with drought. Shame if they abandon the project but it's pointless to tip a precious cargo like that down a toilet .. Ken Livingstone is also urging Londoners to save water which is good (if it's yellow let it mellow - if it's brown flush it down, as mantra'd in third world countries ... ) but this is the same Ken who stopped Thames water building a desalination plant on the tidal Thames to provide fresh drinking water which would have decreased abstraction levels, saying it was too expensive (like Thames Water couldn't have funded it themsleves ) Hope the EEC sorts it out. Ho hum Matt
Mike W	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#4	[-]
Posts: 815 (04/04/06 20:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I agree Mike. I think that the impetus to get the situation righted will be domestic - we (and the French) have a proud history of completely ignoring EU initiatives if they don't suit domestic public opinion. It's up to us to make sure that our politicos know we are behind the European initiative. Mike W (Webbo)
Le Petomane	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#5	[-]
Posts: 386 (04/04/06 20:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I fish the Nene, ironically i was looking at a report last night about the ecology of the Nene on the EA web site. 70% of the low water flow in summer is attributable to treated water waste betwween Northampton and way up north to just before it meets the sea. We not only have barbel and all the other silver fish but also Dace. Just goes to show what can be done with proper environment management given the will and the money. Raw sewerage is Victorian is'nt it ? Bob
Zanderman	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#6	[-]
Posts: 563 (04/04/06 21:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mike You are right of course and I suspect that there is very little political will (or political mileage for Tony B Liar) to actually do anything, however at least if it is talked about by some of us, some good may come and someone with power might just visit this site and take a position. I know that the EA regularly look in as do many of the angling publications. This is the sort of thing that the angling comics should get their teeth into but they are mere shadows of the weighty publications that they once were and are not interested in anything that will not produce a revenue stream. Mike W is also right when he say that the EA wont bite the hand that feeds it, but they will spend £6 million on a Salmon in the Thames PR exercise that would never have taken place had Westminster been elsewhere. £6 Million and then they still let Thames Water fill the river with turds and tampons. Perhaps we should have a go at the MP for Reading West, Martin Salter who is supposed to be the spokes man for angling, his website describes him as The hardest working MP weve ever had and his constituency is on the river Thames, perhaps we should have a pop at him, I know that he is one of Tony B Liars boys, but one of them must care about the environment, they cant ALL be a waste of space. Im sure Martin would like to hear your views; you can visit his website here Tight lines all I have seen the Mississippi. That is Muddy water. I have seen the St Lawrence. That is Crystal water. But The Thames is Liquid History. ( John Elliot Burns)
Mattharvey1	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#7	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/04/06 21:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just watched the London news where they had Darryl from the Thames rehabilitation scheme saying his piece. They appended the report with a picture of a dude on his boat with the first rod and line caught Salmon in the Thames for over 100 years which was back in the 70's or 80's with Tower Bridge in the background !!!! However they went on to say that it was caught in Chertsey weir just a short way upstream !!! Only 20 miles as the crow flies and god knows how far by river ... talk about a PR exercise !!!
Allan	Re: EEC to take action over Thames Sewage.	#8	[-]
Posts: 1066 (05/04/06 14:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I expect that all the money spent on the war in the middle east, would have paid for a couple of desalination plants. Allan
Neil HD	Mid 80's	#9	[-]
Posts: 1668 (05/04/06 14:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I remember a guy catching a salmon at Bell weir and being told by the AM or AT that it was not news anymore as so many salmon ran up the Thames!!!!!
Zanderman	What a tangled web?	#10	[-]
Posts: 563 (05/04/06 15:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I watched the news at lunchtime, there was a report on a speech that BLiar gave yesterday; as usual he was enthusing about great things that others had achieved and thus creating his own greatness by implication. One of the achievements he sited was Sir Joseph Bazalgettes engineering masterpiece. Bazalgettes sewerage system saved the lives of thousands of people, rich and poor alike and BLiar should admire such an achievement, however it would be better for all of us if emulated it. Praising a system that is 135 years old in a speech about modern London was rather foolish considering that on the same day the European Commission threatened to take his government to court for the unacceptable raw sewage discharges into the river Thames after all unacceptable raw sewage discharges into the river Thames was the very reason Bazalgette got out of bed in the mornings. Poor Tony the more he spins the more he entangles himself, perhaps he should actually do something positive. Tight Lines all. I have seen the Mississippi. That is Muddy water. I have seen the St Lawrence. That is Crystal water. But The Thames is Liquid History. ( John Elliot Burns)
mikevwilson	Re: What a tangled web?	#11	[-]
Posts: 860 (05/04/06 15:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Keith The Victorian Engineer had to sort out the Thames because the MP's complained about the smell. Today, with some noses deeply buried in the financial trough they cannot smell the Thames through the stench of corruption. More power to Martin Salter's elbow. At least he's an angler and I do know he cares. Mike
Mattharvey1	Re: What a tangled web?	#12	[-]
Posts: 686 (05/04/06 16:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I pointed Mr Salter to this thread last night so hopefully he's had a gander ....
trentbarbeler	Re: Pooh Blair.	#13	[-]
Posts: 2143 (05/04/06 18:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dear All, I confess, as a once life long labour voter, I will never vote for labour again. But having said that, this Blairite government cannot be expected to take the blame for Londons sewerage system. Who we definitely can blame are successive governments who since the turn of the 19th century failed to see what was in front of their eyes every time a new building or housing development went up in and around this sewerage systems catchment area. Even Lord Haw Haw could have seen it coming! The fact is London outgrew its once brilliant sewerage system so it was facilitated to a state of incompetence. The problem has now become so huge, that every government steers well clear. The EU threatening to take the UK government to court is frankly, a joke. The EU knows damn well the UK is failing to meet the criteria for the EU water directive year upon year. Believe it or not, the Thames issue is actually small beer to the rest of the UKs problems in this area. Will they take us to court? Oh yes. Question is when? A threat can be threatened for a very long time and even when the threat is carried out the penalty will almost be peanuts by todays monetary standards. I take this as the Shepard in the EU trying to keep the flock in line knowing very well his sheepdog is blind as a bat. What I would like to see via wishful thinking is that the EU stumps up the money for a new sewerage system seeing as we paid vast unimaginable sums into the EU coffers already. I wouldnt bank on it though as many UK MPs are looking for a cosy office in the EU. Then again we can live in hope of the day arriving when every toilet in every MPs private office starts to back up and bubble over. Within 24 hours youll see civil engineers digging like crazy all over London. Until then, nothing will change. Regards, Lee.
The Lurker	Re: Pooh Blair.	#14	[-]
Posts: 476 (05/04/06 22:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Interesting comments. I thought the tv report was real 'comic cuts' - as the EA expert grudgingly admitted that the multi-million pound plan to re-introduce salmon just might have been kyboshed by the millions of gallons of untreated sh1t that they allowed to be pumped into the river during a summer flood - a flood that was described by the weather expert Phillip Eden as "unusual but not exceptional' - a one in 3 yr occurance. The 'low river' conditions exacerbated the effect - but I think that we all know that these 'conditions' are here to stay... The water companies have been only to happy to trouser the connection fees from the rampant housing expansion of the london area, and the bonuses that go with meeting their 'tough' profit targets. Having sold the 'time-share week' ten times over we now find that the system is actually incapable of meeting demand - and the water companies now expect us to pay for the capital investment. The bosses of the water companies musts be chuckling away in there retirement villas. Another sad dividend of the privatisation bonanza that saw millions of pounds of public assets transferred into private ownership eased through with a couple of hundred quid in share bribes - we should have told Sid and his ilk where to stick it! As most have pointed out this is not a party political attack - recent events have shown that they are all as bent as 9 bob notes - we truly have the best democracy money can buy... I am as suspicious as the next man regarding European influence in our affairs but is does seem as though they listen to their voters concerns a little more closely than our own government - and their standard of living seems pretty good,their health service and transport system seem to work ok too.....why is this? Regards Paul.

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