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GMan	Bait advice	Lead	[-]
Posts: 6 (24/04/02 16:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Sorry I posted this on the wrong board! Anyways, as recent convert to Barbel fishing I was hoping someone could give me the benefit of their advice. I know this is a tricky subject but I am looking for a paste/boilie mix which has a relatively instant response (dont laugh) Because of work commitments,it is difficult to carry out a proper baiting campaign and would there for be fishing/baiting two evenings a week. Last season I used TW Marine Harvest paste which I found the Barbel took to straight away,however this is quite difficult now to get hold of. I was thinking along the lines of BFM with Salmon oil - or any other suggestions? Thanks GMan
Dick	Re: Bait advice	#1	[-]
Posts: 2423 (24/04/02 16:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Gary Ah beat me to it, I found your other post and was going to re do it hear for you. Good question too. Cheers Dick
bgit	Re: Bait advice	#2	[-]
Posts: 4660 (24/04/02 18:35) bob gill administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi GMan and welcome, I think that TW Marine Harvest is a fishmeal based boilie/paste mix with one of the old faithful attractors. This was manufactured under the Action bait label. I believe that Trefor has now switched (someone out there correct me if I'm wrong) to a mix called the Ultimate Fish Mix. I don't know how widely available this is at the moment but it is listed in the DoubleT catalogue. I currently have high hopes for the Essential Products new range of barbel baits and have had a look at them recently - there are three mixes which can be made with eggs for boilies and water for the paste. They also come in ready made form and matching rapid break down pellets. There is a thread concerning these baits that is current at the moment. Instant baits...well depends...but fish/meat meals would seem to be a good starting point and one personally I would have confidence in. Anyone else out there help? Cheers Bob
Allan	Re: Bait advice	#3	[-]
Posts: 1066 (24/04/02 20:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You are correct, it is now called "Ultimate" fish mix, I use ten ounces of it with 3ml of "Ocean pride" and you are right, it worked instantly, I used it several times at Pewsham. Allan
Matty	Bait advice.	#4	[-]
Posts: 433 (24/04/02 23:39) Banned User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have opted for one of the Nutrabait base mixes which I add liquid trigger and some Hutchinson liquid liver; I have also added a label. If mixed with eggs to make the paste, does using it raw (Not boiled) make any difference regards fish eating it? and Will the bait uncooked effect the amount of essence/oil you need to add. I assume the recommended amounts are for if the baits are boiled. I ask these questions as I haven't got a clue what I'm doing!! and this evening I dropped some of my paste into the river to see it immediately snatched mid water by a barbel, only to see it being spat out and ignored afterwards. This happened several times till it got to the stage where there were boilies in amongst the shoal not being touched. It could be that they were spawning, fair enough, but why grab it in the first place, and why were they eating corn the night before? I can only assume its my mix or choice of bait. And another question, is it ok to mix a base mix like the Nutrabait product with crumb, flour or anything that's cheaper to make it go further, for pre-baiting purposed that is. If so any suggestions. Any constructive advice would be welcome. Matty
GMan	Re: Bait advice.	#5	[-]
Posts: 6 (25/04/02 06:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for the advice guys, I will now go in search for the "ultimate fish mix" I remember a couple of years back speaking to Trevor West at a trade show and of all the mixes under the Action Baits banner this is the only one he recomended and I have to say its does work instantly. Also like all us searching for the ultimate bait or tinkering for the sake of tinkering I did try adding flavour ie Ocean Pride, ala salar etc and found it made no difference, in fact the fishes response seemed less than just using the base mix with either river water or eggs. This seems strange as you would have thought that the flavour would leak into the water acting as a further attractor. Also last year the river was under going a lot of work (flood relief) and the water remained very coloured through out the summer, so I couldn't actually put the bait to fish just likely looking areas but if they were there they had it. Again thanks for the advise and if anyone knows where I can get hold of UFM I would be gratefull.
PeterJC	Re: Bait advice.	#6	[-]
Posts: 150 (25/04/02 12:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Gman The search for an "instant" bait is the holy grail. Keep looking for it, but don't assume that bait is everything there is to catching barbel. If you can find your fish and put a bait in front of them without arousing suspision they will probably take almost anything. If you can't locate them or you spook them it won't matter how good your bait is. Peter
GMan	Re: Bait advice.	#7	[-]
Posts: 6 (25/04/02 16:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Peter, Point taken, however as I said previous the water is very coloured therefore fish spotting is out of the question. I am aware that some baits appear to be more instant than others, maybe the word "instant" is mis leading I should say more readily accepted with little or no previous introduction. I would be the first to agree that certain baits/mixes are better in the long run, assuming you have the time to pre-bait. I have also fished known areas with meat with no joy swapped to paste and caught straight away. The problem I have is not being able to see the fishes response to the bait and there for have to put my confidence in likely looking areas coupled with a good bait. GMan
PeterJC	Re: Bait advice.	#8	[-]
Posts: 150 (26/04/02 12:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi again Gman I take your point about "instant" and appologise if I sounded patronising - it wasn't meant to be. At the risk of sounding a "ludite" in this world of high tech mixes I have always found a cheese paste (possibly made with the addition of some danish blue and a little chillie powder) will be accepted without the need to prebait. Cheers Peter
GMan	Re: Bait advice.	#9	[-]
Posts: 6 (26/04/02 16:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for that Peter, I did'nt take it to be patronising, everyone's opinion is a valued one as they say! Regards GMan
jerry springer	baits	#10	[-]
Posts: 121 (26/04/02 19:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	if you are looking for a good boilie there is certainly a vast array.pick one of the companies flagship baits and you wont go far wrong.give fruit flavoured baits a miss though as i have never found these to be very good.martin bowler.
Andy Thatcher	Re: Bait advice	#11	[-]
Posts: 6442 (26/04/02 19:46) andy thatcher administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi GMan and welcome ! Seems as though you have had plenty of advice already so I'll not throw in my ten pennies worth Cheers Andy
pauls	Flavour	#12	[-]
Posts: 470 (27/04/02 19:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Martin, all, You say to steer clear of fruit flavours, I've never used them for Barbel prefering the usual suspects, is there any reason why Barbel don't go for them? Paul
keithp(d)	Re: Bait advice.	#13	[-]
Posts: 1 (30/04/02 08:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Gman you can get UFM direct from Double T their telephone number is 02476 666100.

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