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Dan Whitelock	paste/new baits advice please	Lead	[-]
Posts: 703 (09/09/01 11:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi all after blanking yet again on my own flavoured meat bait and shop brought boilies - i've been thinking about trying out paste as everyone seems to be raving about it but the thing is i don't know where to start and am on a tight budget and dont fancy spending out ( or getting mum to spend out! ) on buckets of base mixes and bottles of special flavours that cost an arm and a leg etc, so i was wondering if you guys can help me please? or is there any other baits that i can try eg pellets etc?? cheers Daniel
Andy Thatcher	Re: paste/new baits advice please	#1	[-]
Posts: 6442 (09/09/01 12:40) andy thatcher administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	How about good old fashioned cheesepaste ? I have caught from the area we fish on it. There are going to be a million recipes but here is mine. 6oz Mature Cheddar 6oz Danish Blue pack of frozen short crust pastry ideally 5ml of cheese flavour, I have some you can have. Grate the lot into a bowl, defrost the pastry first !, add the flavour. Then get your hands smelly by mixing it all up into a smooth paste. Cheers Andy
bgit	Re: paste/new baits advice please	#2	[-]
Posts: 4660 (09/09/01 13:06) bob gill administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dan, Cheesepaste....here's mine I prefer to use dry shortcrust pastry mix from somewhere like Tesco (around £1.20 for 900g) , a tub of Bisto Cheese Sauce Granules (£0.70) and around 900g of Cheese (recommend one of the mature ones - I like Welsh Farmhouse Mature - it was on offer at the time and cheap! - around £2.50). Get a bowl, put your all the pastry mix in with around half the Cheese Sauce Granules. Grate the cheese and mix in. Add water to get the consistency you want. Result - a lot of smelly cheese paste. You can always use Danish Blue or any mixture of cheeses for the cheesy bit. Try mixing small amounts first to see how it turns out. A cheaper option would be to use just white flour instead of shortcrust pastry. Shortcrust pastry mix is very good for making up pastes but so is white flour. As shortcrust pastry mix is just flour, fat/oil, raising agent (bicarb) and a bit of salt I tend to use white flour if the stuff I'm mixing has a fatty content. For example, you can make a good sausage paste from sausage meat and white flour. Get some sausage meat and add flour until you get a nice paste - if you want to make it smellier add some flavour - but keep the dosage lowish. Better to add some more later rather than try taking some out! Hope this helps - baits are a very big subject. Cheers Bob
Dan Whitelock	Re: paste/new baits advice please	#3	[-]
Posts: 703 (09/09/01 13:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	cheers guys, my recipe is the same as yours andy - mine dont have the 5ml of flavour though i'll give it a go and see if i do any good, i added some garlic powder once but the stuff makes me want to throw up so i gave the lot to my mate and hes caught loads on it, might have to hold my breath when i'm baiting up if it is as good as he says i have heard about sausagemeat paste but never knew how to make it, now i know i'll give it a try. thats been a great help - given me 2 more baits to try out and keep mum moaning at me she still dont like the idea of ''smelly fishing things'' in the kitchen, when half of it can be eaten anyway. thanks for the help - glad you kept it nice and simple for me to understand! cheers Daniel
barbelfishingRay	paste/new baits	#4	[-]
Posts: 183 (09/09/01 13:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Dan, you are about to enter a bait maze and wonderland of recipes for paste. If you buy base mixes from a tackle shop they will be expensive as will buying the separate ingredients, there are cheap alternatives such as trout pellet paste or something base on semolina, you could also try dog or cat food just mix it with a binder no flavoring required the choice is really endless. I have experimented with pastes for over 25 years because I get a lot of satisfaction when I catch on my own concoctions it really is a joy. I have several pastes in the freezer and I will be on the Ouse this week so if you like I will bring some with me and you could collect it I will e-mail you to let you know what day and where. tight lines Ray
thisisjohn	Re: paste/new baits	#5	[-]
Posts: 8599 (09/09/01 14:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	dan, john bakers products are excellent a little expensive but a little goes a long way wiyh paste, a good mix to try is search4, + search4 flavour, follow the instructions carefully and there you go, the paste by the way, if put in clingfilm with the air squeezed out freezes up over & over again, you may be surprised at how little you get thru for a days fishing. .... j.w. john walker
trentbarbeler	Re: paste/new baits	#6	[-]
Posts: 2143 (09/09/01 15:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Dany, Andy, Bob, Ray, John and all who follow their example. You are a credit to barbel fishers. Knowledge, as I have always maintained, is the greatest gift from one angler to another especially when it is given free of charge. Ray, I have noticed that twice recently you have offered help to others and even given the location where you can be found fishing in order to help in person. I am certain that I speak for others here and say that we are all impressed how you are prepared to do such a thing. Much respect to you Ray and the other guys. Dany, Take advantage of Ray Woods offer because he and his mates are some of the best barbel fishers that there are. Email me your home address Dany and I will send you a couple of kilo's of my Cheese paste mix together with enough cheese flavour (extremely whiffy) to make it up ready for use together with full instructions for its use absolutely free of charge. Oh bugger it. I'll send you some Liver mix and Liver flavour to keep it company as well if you like OK. Ray, Be aware that some Trent barbel now have your name on them. Hopefully big ones. As soon as the mighty river gets into its Autumn condition and the barbel feed hard, I will email you for a trip up if you fancy it. See what youve started Andy Francis? Good aint it. Regards, Lee.
trentbarbeler	Re: paste/new baits advice please	#7	[-]
Posts: 2143 (09/09/01 15:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Whoops Dany, I almost forgot. Incase the profile thingy doesn't show my email address, here it is. trent.barbeler@ntlworld.com Regards, Lee.
Dan Whitelock	Re: paste/new baits	#8	[-]
Posts: 703 (09/09/01 15:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	thanks for the help guys ( something tells me i've gone and started a big thread here ) i bought some carp pellet paste from the game fair dead cheap and although havent caught on it as yet, i'm pretty confident about it as i caught my first double on a ''secret paste'' a bloke gave me at sharnbrook as he was packing up, that lasted me for ages, actually now i think about it he said something about activate or something, sounds expensive i'll stick to the suggestions i've got so far. dont suppose you'll be at radwell on saturday will you ray? i'm restricted to weekends only now due to school so its saturdays only for barbel ( get dragged off to deep slow stretches with dad on sundays after roach, unless i go to ''my stretch'' as i call it as i'm the only person allowed there who fishes for barbel with him but i'm the only one who fishes it so i have to do all the watercraft work myself locating them ) cheers Daniel
Andy Thatcher	Re: paste/new baits	#9	[-]
Posts: 6442 (09/09/01 15:56) andy thatcher administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Lee Again, thankyou. Cheers Andy
Dan Whitelock	Re: paste/new baits	#10	[-]
Posts: 703 (09/09/01 18:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	thanks guys, that has really helped me with a bit of luck i might catch over the weekend now. i e-mailed you lee, i dont know if it worked - brand new computer has the habit of crashing just as i click on the send button, let us know if you dont recieve it and i'll resend. cheers Daniel
ian jobling	Re: paste/new baits	#11	[-]
Posts: 452 (09/09/01 18:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Dan You can make your own trout pellet paste just by putting pellets in a bait box, and adding boiling water (just enough to cover), then leave for 15 mins and roll into a paste. Alternatively if you have a blender grind the pellets to a powder I then add dry cat food and grind that the same, The cat food I use is sainsburys own brand salmon, shrimp and trout flavour. When you've done that just add water or eggs to the consistancy you want. Good luck this weekend Ian. PS.Ray and Lee you are both stars
barbelfishingRay	paste/new bait	#12	[-]
Posts: 183 (09/09/01 18:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Lee, I will bw waiting for the invite to the trent with baited breath, I am only to willing to help youngsters like Dan as I was impressed with the way he handled his PB, I am sure like you I have seen some adults who could learn from some of the young and budding super stars of the future and I have no doubt that Dan will be one of them there are some good guys on this site who will help him along the great barbel trail and of course the greatest road of the trail of life. Dan I wont be on the ouse on saturday probably be thursday if you cant get someone to bring you to radwell after school to pick up the gear e-mail me some details as to where you live and your adress and I will try to drop it off to you. cheers for now Ray.
Dan Whitelock	Re: paste/new bait	#13	[-]
Posts: 703 (09/09/01 20:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	''budding superstar of the future like Dan''- i'm touched! anyway good old mum says she can pick me up from school on thursday and run me down to radwell as its only a cast away from school, i'll stick rod, net and some bits of tackle and bait in the car in the morning and i'll fish for a couple of hours and the old man will pick me up in the evening, that was an unexpected nice suprise i was expecting another weeknight of coursework and telly! i'd just like to echo what ray and others have said about how brilliant this site is and how helpful people are to go out of their way. before i started visiting here i hadnt caught a barbel but with loads of advice and help i have caught 2 doubles out of 4 fish - a dream come true for me. thanks for all the help guys, Daniel
Andy Thatcher	Re: paste/new bait	#14	[-]
Posts: 6442 (09/09/01 20:13) andy thatcher administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	''budding superstar of the future like Dan''- i'm touched!" Couldn't agree more Seriously though Ray is right you are doing well. Now all we have to do is get you away from that fluff flinging and..... Cheers Andy
trentbarbeler	Re: paste/new bait	#15	[-]
Posts: 2143 (09/09/01 20:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi All, Two doubles out of four barbel caught!! Just who is this youngun Ray? And; Who's going to end up teaching who? Nice one Daniel. Look out Radwell. Regards, Lee.
Andy Thatcher	Re: paste/new bait	#16	[-]
Posts: 6442 (09/09/01 20:46) andy thatcher administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	He even managed to get me to try fluff flinging there. Now that was funny ! Good conscientious angler though. Daniel don't take this too well I'm still going to remind you whose rig, swim, prebaiting helped !!!! Well they can't have too many compliments that young it effects them Cheers Andy
Pete Falloon	paste suggestions from the blanker!!	#17	[-]
Posts: 211 (10/09/01 11:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dan activ8 is a mainline base mix, which goes with a liquid called activator. About 10 quid per kilo of base mix and the flavour is about the same for a big bottle, which should last you quite a while. I've had quite a few carp on it. Anyway.... I do the same as Ian Jobling, half and half ground pellets and sainsburys salmon/shrimp/trout dried cat food, mixed with eggs and some monster crab (poooeee!) flavour, sometimes add some ground black pepper... you can make soft boilies with it, but make sure you add enough eggs, if not, it all disintegrates and boy does it stink. methinks there will be no more lifts to radwell for a while On this paste I have had only one barbel, but some nice chub as well - works well with pellet groundbait and crushed boilies of the mix. Seriously, it would be worth you buying an old liquidiser/food mixer from a boot fair, and getting ingredients such as pellet and cat food in bulk - pellets about 20 quid for 25 kg from Titmuss in wheathampstead. Andy knows where it is, he told me! tight lines, any chance of some lessons?!!
Graham Elliott	Re: paste suggestions from the blanker!!	#18	[-]
Posts: 4258 (10/09/01 12:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello Dr Falloon. Hope you are well? I am discontinuing my pellet paste usage tested this year as it just seems too attractive to the Carp. Is anyone using cheesepaste anymore? Graham
paul4barbus	Re: paste suggestions	#19	[-]
Posts: 4250 (10/09/01 12:42) paul whiteing BFW Team Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've still not got my head around base-mixes - thanks to AndyT for helping (where is part II?) I find Sensas Fishmeal Pellets with Prawn/Shrimp are a good start for a paste. Liquidise and add semolina and water, but I feel that it is better if put in the freezer for a while, this seems to affect the texture (to the better) - why it does that I'm not sure. Maybe one of our chemist-members can comment. One word of advice though. A colleague (although for c**p fishing) wanted to try pastes and he asked my advice. I gave him about 4 pastes (recipes and actual pastes from my freezer) to try. He then bought some Sensas pellets as described. The problem was that they didn't smell anything like as 'pungent' as those I have bought on 3 separate occasions so beware! - I guess the shop he used may have had stock for too long?? paul
Pete Falloon	carp boys!	#20	[-]
Posts: 211 (10/09/01 12:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello Graham yes shame about tp paste, seems to be favoured by the snotties too, but big chub i have no problem with! Hope you are well - I am on usual blanking form and have been perch bashing lately. Had a small perch grabbed by a nice double-sized pike, which eventually worked out what it's teeth were for, after a five minute struggle to the net on 6lb mono! The only other 'hazard' in that swim is a 27lb mirror, yes in the river, an escapee! Sorry to read little pink balls are affecting sport on the Pats - we've not been doing too well out of the ouse either, no boris for Dave or myself, though a certain barbel king had three a while back, and Dave lost one. How about Mr Truscott, is he still battling with Ravenstone? tight lines, Pete

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