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mikehodgkiss |
signal crayfish as bait |
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I have never ,[ thankfully ] come across any of these horrors in the Yorkshire rivers that I fish however ,reading the thread on high protein baits got me
thinking . Surely these crayfish must be consumed by barbel and indeed chub , does anyone use them as bait , is it legal to do so ? I am aware that they carry
a disease that is lethal to our native crayfish and in this light am not , for obvious reasons advocating their widespread use . This said I have never seen
any reference to people using them as bait , I would imagine they would be attractive to fish , what gives ...
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DarrenGeorge |
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Crayfish tails from supermarket are cooked, so I assume little chance of disease spreading from them.
Be warned, eels love them! They are basically very similar to prawns, and prawns work! |
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PaulW |
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I've had perch and chub on the tail meat... had some good sessions late summer on the Kennet a few years back using 2 inch long 'babies' whole.....
barbs love 'em....... just bounced around the flow....
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dan1988 |
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there are quite a few crayfish in the river i fish and if i said that the chub and barbel are not bigger as a result i would be telling a lie. I have never
used them as bait though, or not intentionally.
I did catch one last week which was duly disposed of. Dan |
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Fred Bonney |
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What ever you do, DO NOT take live crayfish to the water.
Not only is it illegal, but escapees will breed!! I do not think barbel or any other freshwater fish would eat them,unless/maybe, they were in the molting stage. If you catch crayfish by accident, it is illegal to return them , take them home, cook them, and serve in a mayonaise and tomato sauce(Marie rose). Or, separate their heads from their body!
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Anne70 |
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If you set traps for Ronnie and Reggie you will notice how few small ones you catch, this indicates to me that even when they are not peeling,Chub,Barbel and
Perch munch them up, the bigger ones, up to 6inches or more are probably safe unless they are peeling.
I'm sure that the fish can recognise when they are peeling as Bass and other see fish can. I think that as a bait they are totally underused but you should only use crays from the river you intend to fish. Catching them in Otter friendly nets, cooking some, using some as bait, but either way removing them all. The ones that don't get used could be killed and used to pre bait. If more anglers caught crays there numbers could be kept down to some extent for the good of the river, but alas never eradicated. Please be careful in not removing any of the natural white claws as they still exist in some places. It is totally stupid that you need a licence to trap them, but as I said, make sure you use the Otter friendly type and check them daily as fish such as small Barbel could get caught. They are also very tasty when purged! Anne xxx |
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JohnMHepworth |
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Info from the EA web site:
Also: THE CRAYFISH CODE TrappingCrayfish trapping advice packs are also available from the National Fisheries Laboratory 01480 483968. In the past only the Thames Region of the Environment Agency had the authority to allow this activity. The byelaw changes restrict accidental or deliberate transportation of alien crayfish and 'crayfish plague', whilst still allowing the legitimate trapping of the crustaceans. Permission to trap crayfish will be dependant on the local situation in particular the presence of the native white claw crayfish. Unless the trapping is done responsibly it could make the situation worse or even cause further spread. Crayfish are trapped for a number of reasons, including: Conservation - to re-establish native species in a particular area, or to relocate them during work taking place in their habitat; Scientific Research - including investigations into interactions between crayfish and other species in the wild, or investigations into
methods of controlling the non-native species;
The byelaws are enforced through existing fisheries enforcement routes, i.e. un-consented use of traps may be reported to us by members of the public or detection may occur through routine fisheries enforcement patrols. If people break the byelaw, the alleged offence will be investigated and action will be taken in line with the Agency's prosecution policy. If the offence were of sufficient severity then the matter would be taken to court, if found guilty the offender may have their traps forfeited by the court and/or a fine, of up to £2500, imposed on them. |
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sneakypeter |
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As far as I,m aware it is illegal to use crayfish for bait, this includes signals.This was introduced to take out anychance of accidentally using a white
clawed variety by mistake( an endangered species), bit silly really, they are quite different, and the native jobs are all but extinct, I,ve never seen one!
Anne, if you want to see baby signals, try dragging your landing net through the margins, they hide, keeping well away from fish and adult crays, they will be on the menu in a trap full of adults.When they moult, both crays and mitten crabs will be on many species menu,s, but the likes of chub,barbel and carp will munch a hard shelled one too, provided they can get it to the back of there throats, tail first was `how the carp in my pond dealt with them! Peter |
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Anne70 |
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Peter, when I meant babies I was talking about ones of about 2inches, big enough for the trap to catch.. I have only caught 2 or 3 that size.
How do you for sure that they hide out the way and get eaten by the bigguns with a trap full of Mackerel The next size of cray that I got was about 4inches. Anne xxx |
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Iliveinhope |
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I believe Pallatrax use crayfish as a major ingredient in their Whisker range. Having said that I personally haven't had much success with it.
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sneakypeter |
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Anne if you want to catch real little-uns, drag your landing net through reeds etc, last time I tried it on the Kennet I caught about a dozen of between
1-2inches, they keep well out of the way of everthing!
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Chris Plumb |
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I've had a perch sick up a 2in signal - that was still alive! as well as a 5lb+ chub sick up a signal's claw that was as big as my thumb - so chub
obviously still tackle the big ones!!! My mate Paul, has a trapping licence and brought his trap with him when we fished the Kennet last Saturday morning. We
were only fishing 4 hours but when he retrieved his trap there were 18 huge signals in it - that was dinner sorted!
And finally : It is an offence to use crayfish (alive or dead) as an angling bait at any time. From here... http://www.environment-ag...261227/?version=1&lang=_e C.
"Study to be Quiet"
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mikehodgkiss |
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Interesting comments , seems that IF we were allowed to use crayfish as bait they would be very effective ! Reading the EA link I am wondering if it just means
it is illegal to use the endangered white claw crayfish for bait or it means any crayfish including the signals , it just says crayfish and is written in the
context of protecting the white claw . To be safe I guess we should just read all varieties of crayfish .If this is the case I presume the thinking behind it
this is to prevent the spread of the signals by anglers 'realeasing ' them in unaffected waterways when using them as live bait
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PaulW |
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it's also an offence to drive at over 70mph on a motorway... every EA man I've ever spoken to on the subject advocates treading on them. Can't
really see the difference in that and using a bit of tail meat as bait. As long as they're killed quickly and humanely. I remember catching the natives in
the River Gade in Cassiobury Park near Watford as a kid. Don't know if they're still in there.....
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barbel novice |
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Didn't a bait manufacturer produce a boilie a few years ago that contained signal crayfish and the EA said that it would be illegal to fish with the bait?
it wasn't illegal for them to produce or sell it just if it was used.
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PaulW |
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for how often you see an EA baliff these days.... I'd say it was a risk worth taking...I only ever use the ones that come in attached to my bait... look
out for th club rules though......
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Anne70 |
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"And finally : It is an offence to use crayfish (alive or dead) as an angling bait at any time. "
Does not make it wrong though. Anne xxx |
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b5bomber |
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Red signal crayfish make a wonderful bait for barbel, chub, and perch. Just mash them into bits and bait up with them. Use a chunk of flesh as a hook bait, it
works.
Huw Miles filmed a perch coming up to a large red signal and in less than a second all you could see was a claw poking out of the fishes mouth, incredible.. I don't think we give credit for how many crays barbel, chub and perch eat. |
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Anne70 |
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B5, isn't it strange how so many of us put part of the spiralling weight gains of some fish species down to the signal crays but do not use them as bait,
potty really!
In fact I'm sure that on many waters crayfish have more of a bearing on fish weights than bait and so in the very near future I shall be trying it. If we thought that fish were gorging themselves on another natural such as worms, we would all be out at night with a torch, its probably just a leap of faith. There is of course another great natural food, readily available, Barbel love and we hardly, if ever use, the answer is the Minnows or any small fish. Why we don't use some of these obvious baits I don't know, probably selectivity is one reason as is confidence or faith as I said.. Trout anglers have the expression of matching the hatch and maybe we should, but I suppose regularly baiting with say pellets and then fishing pellet is matching the hatch, albeit the hatch turned up in a bucket. I would have thought a freelined and trundled 2inch crayfish would be a great way as would a tail fished over chopped pieces. Lastly, do you think that cooked or fresh cray would be best and should all parts of the body be used including the icky abdomen? Anne xxx |
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the sheize |
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Good idea Anne, I'm going to bash a few barbel on the head to find out what they've been feeding on. M
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mikehodgkiss |
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Anne , no signals where I live , however one of the reasons I started this topic was to see what others thought . It seemed more than just a coincidence to me
that many of the rivers that produce supersize barbel are also riddled with signal crayfish . I think it was Dick Walker who said 'think like a fish '.
If I were a fish I reckon the crays would be on my list of tasty scran , look far more yummy than a boilie and a pellet . Perhaps all the secret squirrels out
there are using them already , I guess we will never know ....
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