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Born Again Fisher	Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1366 (03/08/07 19:06) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Having not suffered a single one for about 18 months - I have recently suffered three hook pulls from what felt like decent fish (spreads arms widely - it was this big honest ) and am starting to think it's more than just a run of luck. How would you go about diagnosing the reason for pulls ? I'm not doing much different from last season - use a running rig with an enterprise snag safe link - 1.5 oz lead and 12-15" hook length (have had pulls on Korda IQ and Drennan Sink Braid) with a 0.75 - 1" hair. I test the hook points frequently - Drennan Continental Boilie 6 or 8. One thought I had was that maybe the hair was a bit too long and they maybe foul hooking just outside the mouth. Any suggestions? Cheers Graham BAF
DorsetWizard	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#1	[-]
Posts: 40 (03/08/07 19:53) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I tend to have the bait about 1/4 of an inch off the bend of the hook, personally I think 1" is a little too long, but hey, what do I know! Also, are you using barbed or barbless hooks? Barbed may well stay put better, but barbless will penetrate more effectivly on the initial strike. Swing n roundabouts there I guess. Hook pulls are soemthing I hear about alot, but luckily, dont seem to suffer from very often! (I hope that hasnt just put the curse on me!) I'll be interested to hear what others say about this.
rb	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#2	[-]
Posts: 629 (03/08/07 20:11) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Are you using the same rod as last season ?
paulmatty	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#3	[-]
Posts: 1682 (03/08/07 20:17) paul matthews administrator More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hmmmmmmmmm, Good question ! Hardly had a hook pull all last season........Had 3 or 4 this one already ! I would attribute some to the use of heavy weights in heavy flows.....Unavoidable i'd say. One was a mystery and the other due to not striking when using a large meat bait (When hair rigging I don't tend to strike, just lift the rod !). Hair length-wise I tend to fish with the bait just touching the bend......probably why I catch so many Chub ! A lot of people advocate a 1" hair when Barbel fishing ! Down to personal choice............ Cheers Paul M..........
Born Again Fisher	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#4	[-]
Posts: 1366 (03/08/07 20:19) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yep - same rod. Long hair is to avoid chub - would do my nut in if I fished with the bait touching the bend. Anyone advocate shrink tube on the hook shank? Cheers Graham BAF
Ian Crook	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#5	[-]
Posts: 920 (03/08/07 20:22) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Rb has a point there, I changed to a Torrix from a Chimera 2 around December, I set the clutch on my reel (XTEA 5000) to balance the rod/line so a fish would really have to pull to take line as I fish a lot of snags. I never really suffered from hook pulls in the past but since the rivers have been high this summer I started suffering them quite frequently, like at least 1 almost every session. I backed my clutch off just a little and they have stopped. I put it down to a combination of the stronger current giving the fish more power in the fight coupled together with me putting a little too much wellie on them, I straightened a few hook as well, no problems in about 4 trips since.......... Ian.
Born Again Fisher	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#6	[-]
Posts: 1366 (03/08/07 21:51) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Barbed Hooks - again no different from last season. Clutch normally set quite loose .... all fish have been on - 10 seconds, 20 seconds and 3 minutes - so not pulling on initial contact ... this is what is so frustrating - your over the initial couple of seconds when your sure the bite has turned into a hooked fish and playing them to the net when ping Cheers Graham BAF
DorsetWizard	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#7	[-]
Posts: 40 (03/08/07 22:03) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Same hooks exactly, meaning, not a different pattern? From everything you've said, it's sounding like a rig issue?? Maybe the hair, too long, not long enough Switch to a semi-fixed rig maybe. Hope you find an answer to it.
le petomane	Re: Hook Pulls - Diagnoses	#8	[-]
Posts: 335 (04/08/07 09:06) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Never had these before except this season when i have had 2. I can almost prove that one was a foul hooking and would suspect that the second one was as well. The fish i hooked in this manner both took of at a blinding rate of knots and both felt like very big fish - the one which had the damage done by the hook was 12lb when caught. If you foul hook a fish the fight is different than when normally hooked.........any of you guys noticed something similar ? Foul hooking, why ? Well the water has been more coloured and the fish have been on the feed more so than in the same conditions in winter when the water temperatures are a lot less. My observations of barbel feeding is that they will often move across the swim looking for food and one they have the free offering they will turn downstream on most occaisions, probably to crush the food in their teeth and then return for another offering. Sometimes they will stay in the swim and go for the next bit of food. Ok this is in clear conditions in summer. Imagine being really on the feed when the conditions are murky and warm. I would suspect that the fish are moving all over the place covering the bottom looking/sniffing out food. This i fear is what has happened to me and the fish has crossed the mainline, felt it possibly........anyway the chances are hightened for a foul hooking to take place. In winter the fish are more lethargic and perhaps more methodical in the way that they would track a bait down in similar murky conditions. There could also be the case where the hook has only lightly knicked the lip and pulled free. Question.....are you guys seeing evidence of this happening with fish being caught and mouths which are damaged indicating a poor hold and a hook being pulled. Sorry to ramble, but it's an interesting subject considering the toughness of a barbels mouth compared to say that of a carp - i lost a 20lb+ to a genuine hook pull as i could see the bait hanging from the fishes mouth. Bob
isisalar	hook pulls	#9	[-]
Posts: 126 (04/08/07 12:35) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I dont want to seem like i'm boasting or anything but i would like to share this.My barbel fishing style has evolved and now i fish two styles, both using braided mainline and nylon hooklinks.Rolling meat and touch ledgering.size2 or 4 hooks crushed barbs.hook buried in bait.Since starting to fish this way i can honestly say i've only missed one barbel bite when rolling(the fish spotted me i think) and one hook pull(i was taken by surprise) touch ledgering' no missed bites and no lost fish. Everyone seems to be diccussing hair lengths and ratios whereas i think the hair may be the cause of the problem., or possibly the bite detection method.
His miserableness	Re: hook pulls	#10	[-]
Posts: 2753 (04/08/07 13:16) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Graham, i would say too long a hair mate, touching the bend or bait on the hook is definetly more reliable but then ,as you rightly say ,the chub become a bloody nuisance,which is the lesser of the two evils ? you makes your choice and live with the cosequences
DarrenGeorge	Re: hook pulls	#11	[-]
Posts: 2272 (04/08/07 14:25) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I dont think hair length is ever the _sole_ reason for a hookpull; size of bait and size of hook comes into play. I use longer hairs than many, but I also use bigger boilies to hooksize ratio too, along with longer hooklength in many cases, after increasing bait size and hair length, havent had any hook pulls (yet). That said, if hair length is the only difference compared to pre-hookpulls, that or luck/foulhooking can be the only real explanation.? Regards, Darren Coarse fishing articles - Fish Ezine
paul4barbus	Re: hook pulls	#12	[-]
Posts: 4250 (04/08/07 15:58) paul whiteing BFW Team Member More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This seems to be a quite common occurrence this season from all accounts. Lots (including me) have not changed anything since last season - rod, line, hook, technique and method, bait and its mounting etc etc - but have had hook pulls. Is it just a coincidence? I guess so, but interesting nonetheless. paul4
le petomane	Re: hook pulls	#13	[-]
Posts: 335 (04/08/07 20:08) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The only thing that has changed is the river conditions. Seriously is ther something in this. Bob
trypewriter	Re: hook pulls	#14	[-]
Posts: 401 (04/08/07 20:52) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Is the size of the bait in proportion to the size of the hook? Tempting fate I haven't had a hook pull in ages (years), but I rarely go below a size 4 esp t6 raptor. I tend to use big pellet baits, but the type I use break down quite quickly and I've been surprised at how small a piece is left on the hair, yet still attracted a take on a big hook. Then again, my crude tactics probably pull me less bites.
Born Again Fisher	Re: hook pulls	#15	[-]
Posts: 1366 (04/08/07 21:04) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I reckon the last one I hooked was foul hooked - Warks Avon river back down to close to NSL - depth 4-5 feet of water fish kept coming to the surface early in the fight - of it's own accord not because it pulled it there ... Cheers Graham BAF
albert watkinson	Re: hook pulls	#16	[-]
Posts: 1285 (05/08/07 14:42) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	i always have the bait 5mm from the bend of the hook.even if you have it longer it will still hook chub.i have had 2 hook pulls in the last 5yrs so i stick with it.i think striking can give hook pulls so i never strike at the bite.there is no need with most bites.a hook with an outurned eye is bad news and one with thin wire. albert
butdim	Re: hook pulls	#17	[-]
Posts: 511 (06/08/07 11:39) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi All, in my experience, the VAST majority of hook pulls are due to the hook not penetrating properly in the first place. I've come across several reasons why this has happened; 1) the hook point was "turned over", due to contact with something hard on the bottom, or (criminally!) not being bothered to change a hook after catching a chub! 2) penetration is impeded by something being built up on the hook shaft, such as things glued to it, knots tied on it, lead wrapped around it etc. 3) long hairs have wrapped around the hook shaft (for several possible reasons) and consequently the bait has impeded penetration...similar to above. 4) a maggot has bent over the hook point and "double hooked" itself, again impeding proper penetration. I'm sure there must be other reasons that I haven't thought of, but these are the ones that spring to mind that have happened to me on a number of occasions...some more sickening than others!!! regards, Butdim
butdim	Re: hook pulls	#18	[-]
Posts: 511 (06/08/07 11:44) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Oh, and as BAF and Albert mentioned above, foul-hooked fish often come adrift, and insufficiently strong hooks can "spring" open during the fight. what I'm talking about in my previous post is fish hooked in the lips whilst using a suitably strong hook. regards, Butdim
darrens2	Re: hook pulls	#19	[-]
Posts: 717 (06/08/07 13:13) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Agree with Tim above; hook pull from the mouth likely to be poor initial penatration, hook point turned etc. .....and agree with Mr top trumper (le pitomaine ) most likely overall consideration for recent 'new' phenomenon of multiple hook pulls is foul hooking. Very strange summer conditions and suddenly many lost fish, there has to be more than just a coincidence..........? Darren.
butdim	Re: hook pulls	#20	[-]
Posts: 511 (06/08/07 13:55) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	a theory!... the unusually highly coloured water conditions for this time of year have meant that the fish are extremely active in the warm water but have been less able to see the anglers' lines, so have consequently been giving more "line bites", which, when struck at, have resulted in more foul-hooked fish than would normally be the case. like I said, just a theory! regards, Butdim

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