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BarbusFan	Line and hooklength breaking strain.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 341 (01/08/07 16:48) More My Recent Posts	Tags : None What do most people use for there hooklength and mainline breaking strain? I normally use something like 10lb mainline with 12lb or 15lb coated braid hooklength. I was talking to my local tackle shop owner today and he pointed out that it would be better to have the breaking strain the other way round. As in, 12lb line with a 10lb or 8lb coated braid hooklength. Because if you are going to break your line, it would be better to have the weaker line closer to the hook. For example, if you cast out 10 metres and your line snaps then the fish will drag a possible 10 metres of line around. But if you have a weaker hooklength then the chances are the break will be by the hook. What do other people do? Am i pointing out the obvious? It would be good to find out everyone elses opinion. Michael.
davelumb	Re: Line and hooklength breaking strain.	#1	[-]
Posts: 817 (01/08/07 17:25) More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* For example, if you cast out 10 metres and your line snaps then the fish will drag a possible 10 metres of line around. Surely the line will snap at the weakest point - where it is attached to the hooklink. ----------- They're only fish...
BarbusFan	Re: Line and hooklength breaking strain.	#2	[-]
Posts: 341 (01/08/07 17:31) More My Recent Posts	Yes it could break at the link. But its not certain. With a weaker hooklink at least you would know where the break would be for definate. Michael
jowter	Re: Line and hooklength breaking strain.	#3	[-]
Posts: 111 (01/08/07 18:13) More My Recent Posts	My views: If a fish is unlucky enough to snap you off then the best it can hope for is to just have the hook without any line so your weakest link should be the hook knot. Your next weakest link should be hooklength to swivel so that if that knot goes (rock abrasion etc.) before the hook knot then the fish will only be trailing a straight bit of line with less chance of fouling before it gets rid of the hook. Mainline to swivel should be stonger, or the same as hooklength but with a better knot. Best to tie up a few rigs then test them until they bust so you know what's likely to happen if you do break off. Then rig up without a lead on, safely secure your hook to something sturdy (the garage door) & tension the reel clutch / take the strain repeatedly until you snap off (hopefully at the hook) wind the clutch back a few knotches to allow for line abrasion etc. then go fishing in confidence. I was using a medium weight feeder rod & 10lb line for a while when I started barbel fishing until I did the above & found that the rod bent double & might well have snapped before the line gave out, so I bought a heavy feeder rod,,, then a very heavy feeder rod for the Trent.
Wurzel	Re: Line and hooklength breaking strain.	#4	[-]
Posts: 1453 (01/08/07 19:57) More My Recent Posts	Michael, The other thing to be aware of is: Does your 10lb line actually break at 10lbs or 14lbs or 16lbs and does the 15lb coated braid actually break at 15lbs or in the case of most braids, far less. I use .30mm 10lb Shimano catana mainline for most of my barbel fishing and judging by the tackle box test, it actually breaks at around 16lbs, so i dont have a problem using 15lb coretex as a hooklink, which breaks at around 12lbs . I prefer to have a hooklink that breaks below the the mainline, but thats personal choice and unfortunately, its not as easy as just believing the b.s thats on the spool when you buy it. Wurzel
isisalar	re line and hooklength breaking strain	#5	[-]
Posts: 126 (01/08/07 22:00) More My Recent Posts	i think it might have been dick walker who said mainline shold be at least 20%stronger than the hooklink .in any case its a good maxim to follow,for obvious reasons,i hope.when braided hooklink material became available i was horrified that it was only available[mostly]in breaking strains way over what is necessary.ive been told that this is because the manufactutrers are still using 30year old machinery designed for older materials[dacron and the like] dynema is a different kettle of fish and makes a far stronger line. ie what would have been 10lb line 20 years ago is now probably nearer 30lb.personally i now use braided mainline for nearly all my barbel fishing 'float and ledger' nominaly 12-15lbs realisticly nearer 30lbs.since starting to use braided mainline i dont think ive lost any end tackle at all apart from the odd hook. i generally use 8lb perlon when ledgering, and 6-7lbhigh tech hooklinks when float fishing, i think the bigest advantages with the braid though are the fact that when you do have to pull for a break its inches rather than yards and the incredible bite registration properties.when touch ledgering .if there are any fish in your swim you know '.the most reassuring thing i feel though is that you know that whatever happens you are not going to leave more than a hook in any fish and your not going to leave any lead jewellery up a tree,plus it floats like a cork so is perfect for floatfishing.massive mainline to hooklength ratio no stretch floats please comment
Owencd	Re: re line and hooklength breaking strain	#6	[-]
Posts: 200 (02/08/07 06:52) More My Recent Posts	I find it hard to get decent coated braid in anything less than 15lb bs which also influences my decision.
albert watkinson	Re: re line and hooklength breaking strain	#7	[-]
Posts: 1296 (02/08/07 07:19) More My Recent Posts	for what its worth it unwise to use anything less than 10lb breaking strain when there are barbel about. albert
isisalar	line and hook link	#8	[-]
Posts: 126 (02/08/07 19:53) More My Recent Posts	are you talking hook lengths or mqainline ?
albert watkinson	Re: line and hook link	#9	[-]
Posts: 1296 (03/08/07 06:54) More My Recent Posts	if you are asking me i never go below 10lb hooklength and i have caught barbel in a small river on 12lb.some people think they can get away with less in a small river but the line should be stepped up.the snags are never far away.in any case they are not tackle shy most times. albert
thisisjohn	Re: line and hook link	#10	[-]
Posts: 8631 (03/08/07 07:01) More My Recent Posts	Michael, forget Dick Walker mate line and stuff has come on bundles since his passing away, the thing is and this is especially with braids when barbel fishing, a lot of the time there is sharp rocks and flints ect on the bottom, braid weakens severely if even only getting slightly frayed or nicked by these, far more than the mono mainline, thus the main reason for using heavier hooklink than mainline mate....j.w ps Albert! what you doing up so early, you aint got a new paper round have you
albert watkinson	Re: line and hook link	#11	[-]
Posts: 1296 (03/08/07 11:40) More My Recent Posts	hi john.you are naughty but i like you always hit the deck at 7/30 cannot lie in bed after waking.how are things john.?the river here is down and i wont fish in these conditions.the wife knows this and suprisingly there are a few jobs that have come on the agenda this week $:\$ perhaps not the place to say this but you carry an illustrious name there i have it of my chest.all the very best albert
NoddyT	Re: line and hook link	#12	[-]
Posts: 482 (03/08/07 13:22) More My Recent Posts	1. Here's the simple answer... hooklink should be weaker than mainline. 2. Here's the snag... Modern Barbel fishing is using a hybrid course/carp technology and methods. We use beefed up Avon rods known as a Barbel rods, these generally are only recommended for lines of 10-12lb; then we use the carp style hair rig made of coated braid (for abrasion resistance and camou) generally these are manufactured to a BS of over 15lb 3. Here's the real world answer... Tackle manufactures should get there act together, if you make a rod the can only carry 12lb line you should make a 10lb or 12lb coated braid. 4. Final Solution... You are going to have to use a heavier hook link than mainline until someone with brains is employed by Fox, Drennen, Shimano et. al. and starts making a decent Barbel range similar to the Carp ranges. 5. Quick Note... Pike fishing; most people use a mainline of 15-20lb, most wires are 30lb+. Just a thought... off to do more philosphy by the river
dr barbus	Re: line and hook link	#13	[-]
Posts: 1643 (03/08/07 14:04) More My Recent Posts	Nod Spot on. However as a quick perusal of the Tackle Box line tests show at: www.tacklebox.co.uk/ things quickly get complicated. Try this: Mainline 12lb Big Game Clear, Hooklength Silkworm at 12 Mainline 15lb X-line, Silkworm hooklength at 12. While the second combination, on the face of it, looks like the more balanced combination, tests show otherwise. The 12lb Silkworm breaks at 13 The 15 Xline at 10.25 The 12lb Big Game at 17.75 So the first combination is the better balance. I can use even the 12lb Big Game with 15lb Mantis or similar (I too would prefer a 10 or 12lb version of these) Silkworm is available from 4lb upwards tho... Off now fishing now with a 30lb braid main-line and 12lb flouro hooklength.
thisisjohn	Re: line and hook link	#14	[-]
Posts: 8631 (03/08/07 20:25) More My Recent Posts	sorry but i strongly disagree, if you fish spate type rivers you,ll realise that the rock strewn bottom does cause nicks and frays in braid, hence the heavier bs used, 12lb line? balancing a 2lb tc rod? mine work fine with 18lb mono and i dont get cut off either....j.w
dr barbus	Re: line and hook link	#15	[-]
Posts: 1643 (04/08/07 02:59) More My Recent Posts	John who you disagreeing with? I fish spate rivers but typically not rock strewn, the 12lb Big Game works well - point being it actually is 17lb BS. I have experienced no problems with the 9kg PowerPro braid either. If I was regularly fishing the Ribble or some of the Wye with its rock ledges I might do otherwise but 15lb Big Game and Quicksilver leader sorts that. I dont use 2lb TC rods even on the Ouse with fifteen feet of flood water and five or six ounces to hold the river bed.
isisalar	line and hook link	#16	[-]
Posts: 126 (04/08/07 11:59) More My Recent Posts	thisis john, i'm with dr barbus on this.30lb braid and 10lbish nylon/fluro is without doubt a superb ,fish safe, sensitive combination.abrasion tests may show braid to be better than nylon but are they comparing breaking strains diameter or what? using 30lb braid compared to 18lb nylon, i dont think there would be much in it abrasion wise. pulling for a break,and behaviour on the reel is vastly better with the braid. you really should give it a try. if the abrasion problems are that bad on your river use 3-4 feet of 18lb nylon above the lead.not quite as safe as without but no less safe than your present setup. your recent post said something like 'thats why i use hooklinks heavier than the mainline' could you explain this. i cant think of any reason for doing so reguards
thisisjohn	Re: line and hook link	#17	[-]
Posts: 8631 (05/08/07 14:20) More My Recent Posts	the reason i use heavier hooklink than mainline is if i am using a braid hooklink and a mono main line, it only takes a tiny nick in the braid to weaken it quite dramatically, thus why i use a heavier hooklink, in over 48 years of barbel fishing the only time i have landed barbel with line still attached from someone elses loss was with very fine lines ie 2lb tc ect, barbel are probably better at getting rid of hooks unattached to rods than carp even....j.w
isisalar	line and hook link	#18	[-]
Posts: 126 (05/08/07 14:37) More My Recent Posts	Thisisjohn if you are that sure that braid breaks so easily on your rock strewn bottom why are you using it as hooklink at all?
thisisjohn	Re: line and hook link	#19	[-]
Posts: 8631 (05/08/07 23:25) More My Recent Posts	that sir is a question that can be answered but not on this thread, i use braid, i use coated braid, i use hybrid coated braid, i use sink braid, i use soft braid, i use fluro mono, i use bog standard mono, errr which would you like to discuss why i use it? why does most guys use different size hooks? or different rods some days?....j.w
isisalar	line and hook link	#20	[-]
Posts: 126 (06/08/07 19:52) More My Recent Posts	Thisisjohn i'm happy whatever hooklink you use but for the fishes welfare please use a stronger mainline than your hooklength.Braid mainline can easily be 3 times as strong as a hooklink and still be easy to handle. A massive safety margin

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