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medwaydan	which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 196 (17/07/07 06:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hi guys I'm wondering about fish sensitivity to rig resistance on an initial or tentative take. I have had a lot of bites lately where a reasonable initial single pluck has not developed, and reeling in has revealed a bare hair in place of the large chunk of spam which was close enough to the hook for removal of bait to be difficult without taking the hook. So I figure that the fish, whatever it is, is mouthing the bait, feeling resistance, and sinking back in the current with the bait until it comes off. In your experience, is there a particular set-up which minimises fish spooking for whatever reason? I know from sea fishing that a pulley rig halves the rod tip resistance through the mechanics of its construction. Is there a freshwater equivalent? Indeed, would the style of take above indicate barbel, or is it smart chub? atb Dan
adli100	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#1	[-]
Posts: 77 (17/07/07 08:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have been having the same problem. i have been fishing hair rigged meat and having a single pluck on the tip and thats it no bait left!!!! Would it be worth fishing artificial meat that would be alot harder to get off the hair or am i going the wrong way...as it aint meat its plastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phil Adams1	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#2	[-]
Posts: 286 (17/07/07 08:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	My guess fwiw would be chub. Very cunning at painlessly removing bait. Phil
shippo	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#3	[-]
Posts: 2379 (17/07/07 08:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ive found no reason to hair rig spam/meat just a size 6 hook pushed through slight twist in the hook and a small piece of grass to trap the hook as you pull the hook back through
kenjiblaster25	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#4	[-]
Posts: 1902 (17/07/07 08:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I fish the meat on the hook but to do so I push a baiting needle through and then attach that to the swivel and then pull it down to the hook. I also use several lumps rather than a single lump. Try it, you might like it. (Handcrafted Feeders for sale, made to your specifications. Email: fishingfeeders@yahoo.co.uk, or have a look in BFW fishing classifieds.)
bazza	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#5	[-]
Posts: 219 (17/07/07 09:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello guys, in my experience if you are having your bait pulled off the hair it is almost certainly chub, they tend to hold the bait in their lips and swim off, not taking the hook in you get almost the same problem from them with boilies only you get great pulls but strike into thin air! the solution for me was to side hook boilies or meat, that way if they pick it up the hook is already in their mouths! Hope this helps
Slip59	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#6	[-]
Posts: 419 (17/07/07 09:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Where's Derek when you need him?
MILLIE	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#7	[-]
Posts: 414 (17/07/07 09:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I can't see the point of hair rigging meat, the hair was designed for hard baits such as boillies. I agree with the others, Chub are nicking your bait, big hook, sunk into the meat, use a stop if your on fast water, if not don't bother, just cut the tin of meat in halve then tear lumps off small or large, that way you will cut out having flat sides to the meat.
harry chubb	Re: which rig set up is least detectable by fish?	#8	[-]
Posts: 539 (17/07/07 10:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think it,s normally chub when your bait repeatedly get,s nicked,mind seeing as we can,t see the takes you can never be sure.Without being argumentative I prefer to hair rig meat.I,v found that a really large chunk is less likely to be pulled of the hair(about a third of a tin) by a chub and chub knocks are a good indication my baits still in place till the rod goes right over.If I feel unsure about my bait I will normally give it an hour before checking.Regards Harry
RollingPinBoy	Sussed out!	#9	[-]
Posts: 1693 (17/07/07 11:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	On the Hampshire Avon Royalty, it would be eels and bream that remove the bait and not necessarily chub. The small chublets/dace also widdle it down until there is nothing left. The Bream grip and squeeze bits off with their lips also. If you get a single knock and then retrieve the meat and find it is untouched, then there is a big chance that a barbel has picked it up cautiously and lightly, felt resistance or other, put it down and left it. Sight fishing, as i do when possible, these barbel are catchable if you hold the rod and watch the fish, co-ordinating a strike when the head goes over the bait to investigate and feeling the slacker line for the tiny pick up before it drops it. This can be at a very fast pace in which this happens, so you have to be on the ball and know what you are looking for. With the rod in the rest, all you will get is a 'dace type' tap on the rod tip and you will not be any wiser at what is happening beneath...Ray
hatterbarbel	Re: Sussed out!	#10	[-]
Posts: 1569 (17/07/07 12:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi men , Rollingpingboy, what you said about eels happened to us at the weekend. Temps were low due to the rain , but the chub were very active, and we also caught our fist eel in 4 years fishing the teme !!!. Hatter
thisisjohn	Re: Sussed out!	#11	[-]
Posts: 8599 (17/07/07 12:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	or alternately it could be a carp, Dan what size do you refer to as a big peice of meat? this may clue us in too, i have certainly had chub nick my meat with just a quick tap of the rod top where they just grasp the bait without actually getting it right inside their mouth, carp also, eels? dunno, cant comment on, how large was the bait Dan?also is carp present in that stretch of river?...j.w
fredrickmore	Re: Sussed out!	#12	[-]
Posts: 704 (17/07/07 12:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I was having big problems with chub last monday, and they were giving barbel like baits a proper wipe around but just not followed with a run. However i never had a problem with the bait coming off which might be down to using a band on a stainless steel ring on the hair, so im guessing the hair allowed the bait to be move without much resistance?? ------ Dynamite Baits Marine Halibut Boilies for sale, £4.50 per k,g see classied section.
Young Dave Burr	meat	#13	[-]
Posts: 530 (17/07/07 13:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Interesting problem with several possible answers 1. Do NOT use the 'pulley rig' as it becomes a tether rig if a snaps you. 2. Try using different sizes of meat both smaller and bigger also use several cubes/chunks as already suggested. 3. Use a boilie spike on your hair, you can stick it right through a piece of meat then back into the bait for double security. 4. If you get a knock, pull a foot or two of line from the reel to give the fish a bit of slack to play with. 5. Fish with a slack line (depending on the current) and wait for a positive bite. 6. Use a bobbin as it is more sensitive than the rod top. 7. Fry your meat and make it a little tougher. 8. Perhaps best of all, fish upstream and tighten to the lead so that your rod top is bending slightly (just on the point of moving the lead). As soon as a fish picks the bait up it will dislodge the lead giving you a drop-back bite that is usually unmissable. If all of the above fail - take up golf or knitting!
Slip59	Boilies in Chub City	#14	[-]
Posts: 419 (17/07/07 13:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I thinks it's probably chub as if it's bream you normally hook a few in the end. Unless its a very heavily fished stretch I doubt its spooky barbel unless your hair is simply too long (they don't like hippies ) I'm not suggesting you switch to boilies but try them in the same swim. If the same thing happens then its probably chub. But you can leave your bait out because as its a boilie you know it's still on the hair so just keep waiting until you get a wraparound from Mr Barbel. If you don't then it was probably always just chub and you're in the wrong swim. On the Dane its chub city and your bait and rod top is continuously bouncing - sit on your hands, use a firm bait like boilies and wait for the rod to head off towards the sea!
rb	Re: Boilies in Chub City	#15	[-]
Posts: 629 (17/07/07 13:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	CHUB, had the problem for most of the day last Sunday on my 2nd rod, ended up as said above smaller hook size 12, rolled the meat into a soft ball hold the rod and strike at the 1st indication. Result 9 chub to 2lb.
medwaydan	Re: Boilies in Chub City	#16	[-]
Posts: 196 (17/07/07 22:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for all the input, which is remarkably consistent. To reply to a couple of points: Bait size is usually around 1 inch long, 3/4 inch square end, as that's how I cut it up. I fish the hair so the hook is just off the bait, by about 1/4 inch. I use smallish stops, which I have changed for longer ones in an effort to resolve the pull-offs. Point well made about tearing the meat to avoid the slab sides - also might look at the fry-up option. Would imagine this also adds flavour? Young Dave - the version of the pulley rig I use has the weak point at the hooklength knot at the swivel. In any case, if using a weaker hooklength, there is no way anything can be attached to the hook other than the hooklength, so no tether. I haven't used this rig in freshwater, just an idea. However, it does lift the weight off bottom when a fish takes, and presents a straight-through line, which can be good news on snaggy swims. Your caution noted though. We are fortunate to have a good head of large chub, many of which could out-hustle a decent barbel. So it is very difficult to discriminate by bait size or type. Thus far, given that my experience is limited, I have yet to notice a substantial difference in bite indication between species - they even seem to be happy with the same river conditions. Interestingly, the occasions when I have used the upstream method as suggested, I have not had the problem, and bites have been easier to convert. Unfortunately access is a problem, and it is not always possible to get the ideal angle or bank for the chosen swim. Like most folk round here, I tend to fish from dusk onwards, so sight fishing is not possible. I have tried touch fishing, but tend to doze off at inopportune moments. Baitrunner is the order of the day, and a night light. Point taken about the bobbin, although visibility is an issue, since there is little ambient light. Would braid be recommended to enhance touch fishing? I will certainly take on board all your views, and I look forward to my next session. Thanks to all contributors. Kind regards Dan
derek2fisherman	Re: Boilies in Chub City	#17	[-]
Posts: 1725 (17/07/07 22:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hello,did you call slip.derek.
clive1954	Re: Boilies in Chub City	#18	[-]
Posts: 50 (18/07/07 00:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Try some shrink tube on the hair enough to cover the size of the meat you use. the meat is then attached with wide boilie stop 4 or 6 section. With out the shrink tube ,the hair material acts like a cheese wire cut the meat on the cast. Clive
thisisjohn	Re: Boilies in Chub City	#19	[-]
Posts: 8599 (18/07/07 00:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dan, certainly sounds like chub to me with that sized bait, if you really wanna find out then next time reduce the size of the bait by around 50%, if a chub pops out you know for sure,sometimes a big reduction in size of bait produces a more positive bite with them....j.w ps when you said a big bit i thought you meant a 1/4 of a tin
medwaydan	Re: Boilies in Chub City	#20	[-]
Posts: 196 (18/07/07 19:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	1/4 of a tin???? don't feed my kids that much !!! before I took up this lark, I was used to putting a couple of casters on a size 20 hook. thanks for the shrink tube idea - will give it a shot. seriously, 1/4 tin?? what sort of size would sort the barbs (men) from the chub (boys), bearing in mind they can be similar in size? dan

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