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 Portishead |
Re: Braid or Mono or Fluro........ | ||
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Posts: 331 (23/01/07 22:29) |
So whats the general feeling then guys? I want to go out and buy the line tomorrow!
I must admit ive heard horror stories about x-line fluorocarbon so prob wont go with that. Please help guys! "Rivers and the inhabitants of the watery elements are made for wise men to contemplate and for fools to pass by without consideration."
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john cook |
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Posts: 1009 (23/01/07 22:31) |
Hi All,
Have to agree with Dave this is the second season that my son and I have been using stren fluoro carbon hooklinks.. Never had a hooklink go at the knot or anywhere else for that matter ( use a well lubricated grinner) Have had a few fish on the same hooklink, great stuff. Only change if I can feel any digs in it when run between my fingers.. Best Barbel John Look ye also while life lasts. |
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Portishead |
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Posts: 331 (23/01/07 22:55) |
Is the general feeling to go with mono then....
TF Gear looks ok judging by the breaking strains on the tackle box line test... "Rivers and the inhabitants of the watery elements are made for wise men to contemplate and for fools to pass by without consideration."
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kevin ci |
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Posts: 513 (23/01/07 23:11) |
Firstly i would thoroughly recommend Big Game in either 10/12Ibs in either clear or grey (gunsmoke?)
I have used it for years,played around with others but the only stuff thats on par with the above has been GR60 but as this is more expensive don't see any advantages. Regarding the age old question of Mono v Fluro I can see absolutely no point in spending money on expensive line when regardless of brand,after a short while particularly fishing rivers ANY line will surely act like a magnet to any size of small filaments of weed that is present in all clear/murky rivers and attach to lines causing it to stand out anyway regarding of Brand!!   The only way to counteract this look at me affect of ANY line is surely BACKLEADING to pin the last few feet hard on the bottom..............but perhaps I'm going of thread a little now!  kev |
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D Wingfield |
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Posts: 1966 (23/01/07 23:15) |
By the way, I dont think Stren do flurocarbon anymore, lucky I stocked up in the States
 Best Regards Dave |
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john cook |
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Posts: 1009 (23/01/07 23:28) |
Dave,
You are correct not manufactured anymore,its good gear though.. Pleased to say that I also have good stocks Best Barbel John Look ye also while life lasts. |
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ijakk |
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Posts: 2101 (23/01/07 23:53) Banned User |
Mark simply Big game, Daiwa sensor, would be my choice for a reliable mainline every time not just because it is my personal preference but because they are well proven and test to destruction by many fine fishermen. If you want to hide your line, backlead as Kev says it the only sure way of doing it and if you do then you need a line that can take the knocks.
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ijakk |
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Posts: 2101 (24/01/07 00:05) Banned User |
BarbelCrook, I sure youre confident in the line youre using for the applications you use it for and thats great, yes youre correct about the spooling but the stuff still twists up like hell regardless of how you spool it, i've tried. I can absolutely assure you that my tests, those carried out by tackle shop and the one's Mark Pitchers undertook (another big carp guru) are 100% correct re breaking strain/dia, the only knots used were grinner,palomar and figure of eight. So even though you have confidence in the stuff and it suits the applications you use it for, I personally wouldn't use it on my local river but then again it's rather rock infested, nor would i recommend it simply because IMO it just not worth the money, in fact I'd say its a bloody rip off.
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The Lurker |
Fluoro | ||
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Posts: 477 (24/01/07 07:32) |
I have also had good experiences with X-line after some issues with knotless knots and conti hooks. The line does twist and is springy - but as it spends most of its time laying on the deck these are not major problems. Wouldn't want to trot a float with it though!
My mate has had good experiences with the riverge reel soft.Still can't get my head around 'fluoro-coated' - that will do nothing for visibility - fluoro is not an 'invisibility cloak'! Mr Crook - can you tell me the spooling advice you received from Steve Fantuzzi? Regards Paul. |
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Barbel Crook |
Re: Fluoro | ||
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Posts: 146 (24/01/07 10:49) |
Hi Paul,
When you buy x-line, there is a diagram which shows which way round the spool should be when winding line off it, the diagram was the wrong way round, i.e. line would twist really badly if winding onto a fixed spool via the bale arm. If you invert the spool, the line sits perfectly on the reel. Ian. |
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Portishead |
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Posts: 331 (24/01/07 12:23) |
I have just bought 10lb maxima chamelian. Sinks like a stone, donsent reflect light it absorbs it and is super strong.
Or so it says on the box..... "Rivers and the inhabitants of the watery elements are made for wise men to contemplate and for fools to pass by without consideration."
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Guy Baxendale |
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Posts: 839 (24/01/07 12:42) |
Ijakk - I had heared that the tackle box tests were all done with the same knot which was the 'wrong' knot for X-line and hence the tests were meaningless? I am told that tied with the correct knot (possibly a palomar although I cannot remember) it retains excellent strength.
This is not first hand knowledge I must stress. Think one of the big plus points for X-Line is in lakes I am told it sinks like a stone. Personally I usually am fishing at night & use a braid mainline + hooklength |
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chrispons |
Fleuro | ||
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Posts: 187 (24/01/07 12:51) |
I used X line for ages River Carping and on the lakes,and never had a problem with it.
Currently trying Fox Illusion,which is horrible at first,but gradually beds down,and does sink well.Casts badly,due to stiffness,but can live with that as am not mega casting. My next port of call will be some Nash Bullet Braid,which also sinks like a stone,and is pretty tough,and will be used for Carping. These are all used as mainlines. |
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ijakk |
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Posts: 2101 (24/01/07 16:56) Banned User |
Guy, my own personal tests tally with my local tackle dealers, as I said the only knots used were palomar, grinner and figure of eight I have no idea what knot, tackleshop used mate, all I can say is that my finding were almost identical apart from the 15lb which broke at 12lb for me. I've also tested Grand Max Riverge and reel soft and both break well under their stated strains. All fluros sink well but that's pretty much irrelevant on a river with any kind of flow. Its way over priced IMO in fact per metre it is 4 times more expensive than say big game clear, if people want to spend there hard earned on something that really doesn't offer them any real advantages over a good quality copolymer or braid, well thats up to them. Certainly lines the pockets of the advertising execs, and well know fisher fellows who promote the stuff, with no problem or with problems the consumer still isn't getting what he pays for i.e. accurate dia and breaking strains on the packet, which I think is a bloody scandal.
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Guy Baxendale |
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Posts: 839 (24/01/07 19:37) |
Fair enough.
Do agree that the widespread understateing of BS on lines does make a mockery of choosing a mainline, 12lb lines that break at nearly 19 
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hatterbarbel |
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Posts: 1645 (24/01/07 20:46) |
Hi men ,
The line you MUST use , is the line you have confidence in .My friend uses a fox line in a browny colour , this he said looks like the bottom he fishes over on the ouse . This may be true , but to me it looked horific , even backleaded , the line still looked to " obvious ". He still catches fish , so where,s the argument there then?  I like to have any little edge in my favor , and when times are tough, " scratching time " , I think that minor / little things we do can buy a bite . I have had barbel feeding close in , with 15lb x-line fished slackish , and the barbel have been all over me without spooking on the line . I regulary wind in through a cloth/bog roll , and cast in a grassy area , bite of the lead , wind in to remove any twists . This is a regular subject. After the last fluro/mono/braid posts I took a rigged up 1 3/4 lb rigged up rod into the back garden . I hooked the hooklength to a fence post . I tried to replocate playing a fish ,and gave it the butt, repeatedly bending past the point I would give to the fish. I could not break it , nor could my non fishing daughter when I made her have a go .This was with 15lb x-line palomard knoted to the swivel . As we only fish at shortish distances , I have my spools backed up , and only wind 75yds ish on at a time , and change it regulaly. Thats 3-4ish spools from a bulk spool. A friend is useing it on a centerpin reel , and has had no probs with it . Mr Ponsford , keep me updated on the fox version. Lucky that angling is not an exact science eh? , otherwize it would be very boring , and not much to talk about on here . .hatter |
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ijakk |
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Posts: 2101 (24/01/07 21:00) Banned User |
Yeah try doing the same with some 8lb line that costs 1/4 of the price mate
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Si705 |
Re: Fleuro | ||
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Posts: 221 (25/01/07 00:52) |
I've been using Daiwa Sensor for mainline and I think it's great value for money,although a little 'springy',it's very strong.About £8 for about four or five spool loads on the basis that I completely change my line every 6-8 weeks or so.For hooklengths I've been using 15lb Drennan Sinklink (braid) mostly and ESP 12lb flourocarbon for clearer water.Both I've found faultless...hope this helps....;) To be honest though this colud all get very confusing,so my advice woud be try a few,find something you like and stick to it!!!!|I|I|I
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sneakypeter |
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Posts: 842 (23/02/07 22:02) |
Try this method of spooling up with X-line, immerse the spool in hot water, weighted down to keep it submerged then wind on to your reel. It will not only lay nicely on the spool but will not spring off. This works really well with all mono/fleuro lines and does not effect the line in any detrimental way. The water only needs to be hand hot.
I have used this methjod for the last three years and it does make a real difference! tightlines(not springy) peter |
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robinbowes |
What I'm using | ||
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Posts: 952 (24/02/07 15:32) |
Hi all,
I've not done any extensive testing, but I've mostly used Maxima Chameleon (10lb) this season. I also use PowerPro braid (24lb, I think). I've been happy with both. I've used a variety of hooklinks - Maxima (i.e. same as main line, but on a hook length so I can thread it through pva bags, meat, etc.), suffix skin, h20 flourocarbon, climax braid. I'm currently using the Maxima mainline on both rods. I don't have a particular favourite hooklink. I'm not convinced it makes a great deal of difference in the Ouse or Swale when it's 8ft up and the colour of milky tea!! I'm thinking of trying Big Game or Trilene next season - it's thinner than Maxima and more supple. All in all, I don't think it makes a great deal of difference in most of the conditions I usually fish - I'm just a bit of a tackle tart and like messing around! I've got to do *something* to keep me interested after 4 months of blanking. R. |
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