How long would you expect to boil them to reach that state?
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DarrenGeorge |
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...if so, when finished, how hard/soft do you prefer them, in the middle? Lets say a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being softest, 5 being hardest.
How long would you expect to boil them to reach that state? |
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bgit |
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I steam mine to give tough outer skin but soft inside.
Boiling and steaming times to obtain this would depend to a certain extent of the ingredients of the base mix. As a rough guide reckon steaming time of 2mins, or boiling time of 30 seconds. Maybe longer time for steaming compared with boiling but you don't get so much wash out. Surface liquids that you get with steaming tend to be absorbed back into the bait on cooling. Cheers Bob |
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DarrenGeorge |
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Thanks bob, been tinkering in the kitchen and needed to compare notes to make sure Im on the right lines
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HampshireDan |
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Defo don't make them anymore! Soak them in river water, not for to long, but with a gentle squeeze they will draw in the water and soften just enough to make a top bait!
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johngp |
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i like to have my boilies soft on inside and a hard crust on outer as for boiling times 25 seconds on 12 mm and 40 0n 14mm and then leave for a few hours to air dry and they stay soft in side and hard on the out side .. but as bob states its whats in the mix that can make a difference to boiling ..
regards john |
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RICH PARSONS |
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Hi all,
I had ago at making my own but I found it cheaper to buy self lifes. I put mine in a tube of water which has had some flavour added to it.Two days later I have some nice extra fat and smelly baits. Rich |
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DarrenGeorge |
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John, cheers mate.
Thats what Im getting at really - is my mix ok. Rather than tell you orrible lot whats in it |
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johngp |
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darren once you get it right stick with it i field tseted my own on a lake to start and the carp loved them so try the same and then go to a clear river ie the teme from where you come from and watch how they react to them and remember its not just boilies you can make from you base mix ..i found that they dont need to be rock hard but hey what di kinow as they love pellets and they are but mine are soft for the leakige facter and so they can digest easy
regards john |
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robbo 06 |
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ive been makining my own boilies this season boiliing a 14/15mm for arround a minute. i make my paste very stiff and firm and then air dry my baits with a splash of the liquid on them and this gets drawn right into the baits i then pour more liquid on and the baits soak up the liquid. they end up having a soft paste inner with i firm spongey crust on. When i use ready mades i use freezer baits most of the time.
Rob |
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RICH PARSONS |
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Hi all,
On the subject of freezer boillies did'nt BFW do some in the shop? Rich |
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ian 3663 |
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Been making my own boilies and paste for a couple of years now.Only use 14m boilies and i boil them for around 30sec,i would make more size's but ive only got a 14m rolling table and im to tight to buy any more
Cheers Ian |
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Andy Davies |
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I make my own from scratch, and there is no way it is cheaper! Cant be bothered with round baits so all mine are boiled in sticks then chopped with scissors or knife. Various diameters, various lengths, various paste starting consistency and various cooking times (from 20 secs to 1 minute) gives me a nice variety of breakdown times and hookbait sizes. If using paste wraps it's a good idea to use much smaller baits for the hair, so that when you add a paste wrap it doesnt dwarf your freebies!
Andy |
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DarrenGeorge |
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Andy,
I remember reading a similar tip to that (boilie sticks) a while ago, but forgot about it. 10 mins ago I ordered some rolling gear, then read your post - doh! Ah well, its only them cheap little £9.99 gardner rolaball ones... PS how did the carp fishing go last season? |
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Stewart Bloor |
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I make all my own, with everything, including the base mix, my own recipe. Above all it gives a great sense of achievement when you catch on your own concoctions.
Regarding boiling time I like them hard, so a couple of minutes or so is not a problem. .............................................. www.anglingdiary.com |
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Andy Davies |
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Stewart, better watch out for you next season then
Darren, dont even use the gun any more to make sausages, far too slow, and doesnt allow one to use really stiff pastes. (results in harder finished product within having to cook for longer.) I have one of the large gardner rolling tables and dont really get on with it, probably need to mount it to get best results. Carp fishing wise, 2 fish from my main water (one was a nice pb though), plenty elsewhere, need to address the main water again this year as should have done better! Trouble is Ive gone and joined the boat pool for the cats so the carp may come second, as it aint that cheap! Barbel will mostly wait till October, but want to do a few bait experiments on some visible fish over the summer too. Lifes too short thats for sure! Andy |
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Stewart Bloor |
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Andy, if you didn't have to watch out for me this season, I don't see why the next one will be any different.
Anyway, shouldn't I be the one doing the watching? Having been exposed to naturists, been at risk of having my shelter burnt to the ground, not to mention nearly run over, I should be the one with that's worried. And that's before I even get started on the big black bull. ..................................... www.anglingdiary.com |
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Pete Sharpe |
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Reading this thread has been quite a refreshing experience. I spent a dark period when I paid far to much attention to the carp forums, where so many people were in grave danger of disappearing up their own "armholes". All you heard about was secret additives, spouted by pseudo scientists who were all trying to bluff each other that you needed to have a bait that was the fishy equivalent of crack cocaine to even stand a chance. There must have been a whole generation of young carp anglers who thought that the main priorities were to have the required amount of stainless steel accessories and whatever was the latest bait additive - probably of borderline toxicity. Any angling skills were marginal requirements.
If there is one thing that I have missed by not making my own boilies, is the boilie paste mix that I always used to use to cover my hook baits with. This always used to be made from an Activ-8 base mix with a few extra additives, or else its stable mate with a similar name - the name of which escapes me. Another trick I used to use was to make up a few hook baits from the Nash Airball mix, so that I could present two boilies, snowman style - again covered in pastes. I could imagine this concoction hovering just off the bottom, gradually releasing slowly dissolving paste into the current, then very slowly descending onto the river bed. Did it actually do that? Well who knows, but it gave me added confidence. Otherwise, I never used whole boilies, always three half baits, mounted open end downwards. I always made my own to be as soft as possible, probably just to do the opposite of what was trendy at the time, which was to use rock hard, air-dried baits - something I always thought that apart from being stupid was possibly harmful to the fish. I stopped doing all that when I realised that the vast majority of barbel were being caught on either casters or pellets. Mind you, I don't catch anywhere near as many river carp as I used to. |
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bgit |
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I have the mounted large tables but just don't use them. Too much time and washing up.
Always make my baits in various sizes, shapes and sometimes pays to be different. As Andy says, sausage guns - find them a bit tiresome getting the bait consistency just right for the gun or indeed the table. Just roll and chop by hand - surprising how quickly you can make it up. Cheers Bob |
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Chris Geezer |
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There's a certain amount of satisfaction, nay more, when one catches on ones own made bait, rather than off the shelf models.
Off the shelf models are ALWAYS round and i'm sure fish in moderately targetted areas, might give a wide berth to 'round things'. Like Andy, I make mine in lengths, but cut before cooking. Normally i'll cut two sizes, one to wrap and one to use straight. I'll roll out an amount, then I might squish it a bit for an elliptical shape, or even with sraight edges, for cubes. |
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Nick Roberts |
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Not anymore. There was a time when I would devote a weekend to boilie making and roll 60 dozen eggs worth of bait up. Me and a mate used to make the bait in his garage/house. Had the big rolling tables and the air compressor bait gun to make things as quick as possible. Also used to use N-Butyric Acid as a label from time to time, and for anyone that's smelt that, you will know how his lady must have moaned about the bait making!!
But lifes to short to be wasting that much time to try and have a unique bait and save a quid or two. There are enough companies/individuals out there now that will make/roll bait to whatever consistency/style/flavour you want. And the more you buy, generally the cheaper it is. As a rough guide, if you are buying 25 kilos from someone/somewhere, you shouldn't be paying more than £7 per kilo as an absolute maximum for very good bait indeed. And if the place you are getting your bait from is taking more than that off you, shop around!!!! Also, frozen shop bought ready mades and shelf lifes are catching boat loads of fish, though that can the expensive route to follow. However, if you fish a good bait in the right spot you will catch. If you fish an all singing all dancing best bait in the world in the wrong spot, you won't catch a thing. It's more about where you fish it than what you fish it with!!! |
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Le Petomane |
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Decided this year to make my own from scratch. Because i will be baiting up quite a bit from mid May onwards have gone for 40kg. I have carefully chosen the ingredients to give a long term easily recogniseable food source to the fish. I tried some of the paste on the Trent a couple of weeks ago and it broke down nicely so i am now confident of it's use in somewhat colder water. Like mine soft on the inside with a firm skin but the whole bait feels spongy when slightlty squeezed.
As for the cost, £2.97 a kilo which includes the eggs. Can't see where the "costs a fortune" comes from, unless it contains lots of flavours.........probaby not needed and can produce a short tem bait as opposed to a long term bait i require. All i know is i will be saving about £200 for 40kg. Lets just hope it works Bob |
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