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riverprince2512 |
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hi there, i was wandering if any one had any thoughts on this subject, i was fishin last night with pal he was on 4lb mono and had a 9lber then lost 1 so went to 8lb mono, he caught 3 good size fish an lost 1 and had 2 pull out so u could say he saw plenty of interrest, while say 30 yards upstream i was on coated braid and didn,t get 1 bite. i sort of wanted to stand by the braid feelin that the problem was me being 30yards upstream thus the fish coming upstream were findin his bait and feeder 1st, so i moved down stream 100yards an still no bite, i left very unhappy an confused. we fished same method 3glued 10mm pellets with groundbait in feeder,only diference was hooklength, he is convinced that the braid was simply to detectable/noticeable hence no bites, and i feel this is probably right, but if it is right how com so many people use braid hooklink and get plenty, any comments greatly .appriciated.1 more thing ,, i did peel the coatin back maybe1 inch above hook, so i could basicly tie the knotless knot. we fished severn near shrewsbury,water was slightly coloured and falling but had a acouple foot on from nsl.thanks in advance.warren
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Andy Thatcher |
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Personally I am rather stuck on the sentence "he was on 4lb mono and had a 9lber then lost 1".
Rather thankful he lost only one. Anyway trying to avoid the obvious idiocy of using 4lb mono for barbel and get to the main part of your post......... Personally I have been using braided hooklengths for barbel since the mid 80's. Have tried various types of mono's but have absolute confidence of landing fish on braid so will stick to it. For coated braids I would strip back half the hooklength and tied your hook from that. With only an inch stripped off the hooklength is behaving more like a stiff link, fine if you are looking for that presentation, rather than a braided one. Cheers
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lesliefisherman |
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hi,well seeing that some one uses 4lb line,and i use 8lb,that must make me a saint.
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fishfeeder |
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as you will see from the picture on severn report ,,the use of a 4lb hooklengh is to see whether or not am going to get any action at all,,i landed the biggest fish of the session on 4lb hooklengh before i was snapped while into another fish ,,this is what makes it an exciting sport because it is a sport is,nt it after i snapped i did double up to 8lb mono which i think is more than efficient for the conditions that we were fishing i do not see the point in using braided hooklengths ,,plz feel free to correct me on this matter
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riverprince2512 |
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cheers for reply andy! so you would say the reason i had no interest was the unstripped braid? and stripped would of been fine? see my m8 thinks braid is just too cumbersome stripped or not and braid is dangerous for the fish with damage potential especially in snags! now i,m new and just want to understand different views of more experienced barble anglers,thanks again.warren
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RollingPinBoy |
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Personally speaking, i think your mate was on a shoal of barbel that was in a specific spot. Thirty yards is a great distance when you are talking of swims and hotspots, and it can be devoid of barbel in close by areas. Considering it was nightime also, the choice of line or rig would not be the problem. Sometimes they will only pick up a bait if it is placed in a certain spot in the swim, which can be as small as a dinner plate. No matter what, the barbel would pick up your bait and test it whatever the line and rig, especially in the dark. The point being is whether the angler or the equipment used, detects the pick up in the first place, before it puts in down again and scarpers...Ray
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dr barbus |
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Ray is spot on with this. Location is all important.
If fish were present in your swims you would have got some indication, rod knocks etc as they picked up and put down the bait, given that near you fish were feeding hard on the same bait. I have had the same on the Ouse/Nidd/Severn/Dane, moved 20 yards and with no change to tackle or bait had pickups after no knocks or indications for an hour in the prior swim. The roving approach informs you of the importance of location. As for coated braid, when I do use it, I like to have several inches up of the hook unstripped, using the coating for its anti-tangle properties. Unless I am wanting to use an advanced rig for some reason - which I usually cannot as my carp-based rig habits receed. As for 4lb line, once the guy has had action (ie the first fish), why wait to lose one before changing - the first fish had confirmed their presence. As Andy suggests 4lb is very light. Even when trotting in snag free stretches (do they exist?), I debate long and hard about 6lb hooklengths then use my standard 10lb XL or 12lb braid. |
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Andy Thatcher |
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We have travelled that road before regarding 8lb hooklengths.
We agreed to differ. Personally I find the practice unacceptable in my fishing, what you do is your choice but my opinion remains that using less than 10lb bs is reckless. Cheers
Andy |
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fishfeeder |
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but my opinion remains that using less than 10lb bs is reckless. plz enlighten me on this andy ,,in your opinion is it reckless to the fish or towards the angler,,every barbel i have caught in 15 years of river fishing not 1 time i have i ever used braid and i would like to think the fish i have caught over thoses years have been a great sport (i would agree to differ with the use of braid)and not 1 single time have i used mono heavier than 8lb i can count on 1 hand how many times i have been snapped through an insufficient bs hooklengh
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ajb |
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used braid and mono as hook lengths and as light as 6Lb where i thought it was needed,Its the anglers choice and there is no set rule to say you must use this breaking strain.
Just be sensible with what you use and where you use it. Cheers,Andy |
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barbel revisited |
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I wonder how many barbel have been lost on the light line?
What the ratio is between light and sensible? Don't think i would go anywhere near 4lb and haven't in twenty five years of barbel fishing. IMO, yes it is irresponsible to use something so light, and then to talk about how many fish are being lost to the tactics. I wonder how many barbel are swimming around with hooks in their mouths and nice leads of 4lb mono? Of course, it is still a choice. Tony
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