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riverprince2512 |
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hi there, i was wandering if any one had any thoughts on this subject, i was fishin last night with pal he was on 4lb mono and had a 9lber then lost 1 so went to 8lb mono, he caught 3 good size fish an lost 1 and had 2 pull out so u could say he saw plenty of interrest, while say 30 yards upstream i was on coated braid and didn,t get 1 bite. i sort of wanted to stand by the braid feelin that the problem was me being 30yards upstream thus the fish coming upstream were findin his bait and feeder 1st, so i moved down stream 100yards an still no bite, i left very unhappy an confused. we fished same method 3glued 10mm pellets with groundbait in feeder,only diference was hooklength, he is convinced that the braid was simply to detectable/noticeable hence no bites, and i feel this is probably right, but if it is right how com so many people use braid hooklink and get plenty, any comments greatly .appriciated.1 more thing ,, i did peel the coatin back maybe1 inch above hook, so i could basicly tie the knotless knot. we fished severn near shrewsbury,water was slightly coloured and falling but had a acouple foot on from nsl.thanks in advance.warren
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Andy Thatcher |
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Personally I am rather stuck on the sentence "he was on 4lb mono and had a 9lber then lost 1".
Rather thankful he lost only one. Anyway trying to avoid the obvious idiocy of using 4lb mono for barbel and get to the main part of your post......... Personally I have been using braided hooklengths for barbel since the mid 80's. Have tried various types of mono's but have absolute confidence of landing fish on braid so will stick to it. For coated braids I would strip back half the hooklength and tied your hook from that. With only an inch stripped off the hooklength is behaving more like a stiff link, fine if you are looking for that presentation, rather than a braided one. Cheers
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lesliefisherman |
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hi,well seeing that some one uses 4lb line,and i use 8lb,that must make me a saint.
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fishfeeder |
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as you will see from the picture on severn report ,,the use of a 4lb hooklengh is to see whether or not am going to get any action at all,,i landed the biggest fish of the session on 4lb hooklengh before i was snapped while into another fish ,,this is what makes it an exciting sport because it is a sport is,nt it after i snapped i did double up to 8lb mono which i think is more than efficient for the conditions that we were fishing i do not see the point in using braided hooklengths ,,plz feel free to correct me on this matter
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riverprince2512 |
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cheers for reply andy! so you would say the reason i had no interest was the unstripped braid? and stripped would of been fine? see my m8 thinks braid is just too cumbersome stripped or not and braid is dangerous for the fish with damage potential especially in snags! now i,m new and just want to understand different views of more experienced barble anglers,thanks again.warren
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RollingPinBoy |
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Personally speaking, i think your mate was on a shoal of barbel that was in a specific spot. Thirty yards is a great distance when you are talking of swims and hotspots, and it can be devoid of barbel in close by areas. Considering it was nightime also, the choice of line or rig would not be the problem. Sometimes they will only pick up a bait if it is placed in a certain spot in the swim, which can be as small as a dinner plate. No matter what, the barbel would pick up your bait and test it whatever the line and rig, especially in the dark. The point being is whether the angler or the equipment used, detects the pick up in the first place, before it puts in down again and scarpers...Ray
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dr barbus |
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Ray is spot on with this. Location is all important.
If fish were present in your swims you would have got some indication, rod knocks etc as they picked up and put down the bait, given that near you fish were feeding hard on the same bait. I have had the same on the Ouse/Nidd/Severn/Dane, moved 20 yards and with no change to tackle or bait had pickups after no knocks or indications for an hour in the prior swim. The roving approach informs you of the importance of location. As for coated braid, when I do use it, I like to have several inches up of the hook unstripped, using the coating for its anti-tangle properties. Unless I am wanting to use an advanced rig for some reason - which I usually cannot as my carp-based rig habits receed. As for 4lb line, once the guy has had action (ie the first fish), why wait to lose one before changing - the first fish had confirmed their presence. As Andy suggests 4lb is very light. Even when trotting in snag free stretches (do they exist?), I debate long and hard about 6lb hooklengths then use my standard 10lb XL or 12lb braid. |
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Andy Thatcher |
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We have travelled that road before regarding 8lb hooklengths.
We agreed to differ. Personally I find the practice unacceptable in my fishing, what you do is your choice but my opinion remains that using less than 10lb bs is reckless. Cheers
Andy |
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fishfeeder |
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but my opinion remains that using less than 10lb bs is reckless. plz enlighten me on this andy ,,in your opinion is it reckless to the fish or towards the angler,,every barbel i have caught in 15 years of river fishing not 1 time i have i ever used braid and i would like to think the fish i have caught over thoses years have been a great sport (i would agree to differ with the use of braid)and not 1 single time have i used mono heavier than 8lb i can count on 1 hand how many times i have been snapped through an insufficient bs hooklengh
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ajb |
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used braid and mono as hook lengths and as light as 6Lb where i thought it was needed,Its the anglers choice and there is no set rule to say you must use this breaking strain.
Just be sensible with what you use and where you use it. Cheers,Andy |
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barbel revisited |
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I wonder how many barbel have been lost on the light line?
What the ratio is between light and sensible? Don't think i would go anywhere near 4lb and haven't in twenty five years of barbel fishing. IMO, yes it is irresponsible to use something so light, and then to talk about how many fish are being lost to the tactics. I wonder how many barbel are swimming around with hooks in their mouths and nice leads of 4lb mono? Of course, it is still a choice. Tony
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fishfeeder |
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I wonder how many barbel are swimming around with hooks in their mouths and nice leads of 4lb mono?,,,,plz i wonder how many of these creatures have died while tethered up in a snag through braid ? at least there swimmin round
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RollingPinBoy |
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I remember when i was quite young, i started with 3lb mono and landed a lot of small-big barbel at the time 2-9lb whilst trotting. I lost about approx about 50% of fish i hooked on that line. When i upped through the range over the next years to 4, 5, 6 B/S i landed more but still lost as many. When going on to 8lb b/s mono, my catch rate increased to approx 7 out of 10 hooked. When upped again to 10lb mono, it was still about 70% landed, and i generally lost the big ones when they went into snags. Again, it was the weight on the line snagging in most cases that caused the problem of losing fish and also not being confident in the mono line and my legs turning to jelly and letting the fish dictate on where it goes.
I did up to 12lb but found it very stiff and impracticle and went back to 10lb. When i found braid, i started at 10lb b/s which has a diameter equivelent to 2lb mono. This broke on well below what it stated in testing at about 6lb pressure. Upped and tested to 15 then 20lb B/S which has a diameter of 4-6lb mono, but although 20lb breaks at about 16lb, it is a flat braid and still very thin and you can crack off on striking too hard at close range as i have seen others do. Upped to 30lb braid B/S which has a diameter equivelent to 6-8lb mono and i now land 99% of barbel hooked safely. It takes time to get it right, with me about 20 years, and now i am ultra confident in my fishing and that my line is not the weak point in my set up whether b/s strength or presentation - static or rolling...Ray |
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riverprince2512 |
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thanks for all the feedback guys, well it seems there is the school for braid and mono, and personally speaking am glad to hear that my braid wasn,t the problem, although am goin bak to mono 8lb./10lb. very interesting read everyone,,location,location,location
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Andy Thatcher |
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My experience is pretty much the same as Ray's except I started at higher breaking strains, 6lb mono.
Settled on 10lb for many years before switching to braid. I usually use 20lb test and forget the last time I lost a fish due to line going. Graham Marsden summed it up for me many years ago when he said "if I want to bet if I will land a fish I will go to the bookmakers, until then I wil use what I consider to be appropriate and do my best to land every fish", OK more paraphrase as that book is in storage with the rest of my stuff at the moment. I will use what I deem neccesary to land every fish I hook, if I lose that fish it is my responsibility and I really dislike that sick feeling as the line goes slack. Would rather not hook it in the first place than leave tackle in fish. Cheers
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RollingPinBoy |
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I forgot to say that i use the braid as a mainline straight through and use neat plasticine, or with sand, gravel or stones pushed in to dense the weight if necessary. The plasticine pulls off the line if it gets snagged and i then play the fish direct with none or minor snagging problems...Ray
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Slip59 |
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Hi Ray - I gather you may have switched braids recently? Which would you recommend currently for the 'straight through to the hook' approach you describe?
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RollingPinBoy |
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Kev..I have always used Spiderline-Spiderwire 'Original' for about 10 years which is uncoated and very limp and i have not changed from this. The newer Spiderwire 'Stealth' is coated and is stiffer and more wirey. I tried it and it is not as good as the Original for my type of fishing..Ray
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bewdley2 |
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While spending a wonderful day yesterday with two very good friends of mine who'd travelled up from Wales for a day's blanking on the Kidderminster and district A/S water's at Bewdley,and accompanied by my great fishing partner (who did'nt blank). We had a visit from the water baliff ( it's heavily baliffed since they opened it up to day ticket this season!). He spotted that braid was being used..He promptley informed us that BRAID IS BANNED on K.D.A waters!! It's not mentioned on the ticket's and he did allow the fishing to continue because of that fact, but it will be included from next season. On asking why the bann, he said he's seen fish cut to ribbon's through it's use
any line( even quite low breaking strains) will, in unfortunate circumstances tether a fish and cause it injury. For riverprince's original question, I'm Ray's and Dr. Barbus's camp.. Kindest.Jim.. |
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lesliefisherman |
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well i guess the likes of terry lampard,dick walker and others,fishing[well you know where]with 8lb line are wrong then,but i can see another thread coming in how to play fish.derek.
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walliswizard |
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Just my 2p's worth...
I'm fairly certain that not all that long ago you could look at any angling weekly and see: "Carp, 20lb, caught on 8lb Sylcast" or "Carp, 30lb, caught on 8lb Maxima". Nobody complained about 8lb line being too light then. In open water, is 8lb justified for barbel? (I dunno - for what it's worth I use 10lb!) |
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