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Posts: 423 (22/07/08 12:15) |
Grinner was Dick Walkers nickname for one of his sons.
I prefer to use the Uni Knot - mainly so I don't have to acknowledge Walker... [Cue derek!]
"Fish don't think. They react."
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Posts: 24 (22/07/08 12:31) |
"Apologies, not appropriate, too much vino!"
And I liked that reply Mr Mis. Anne xxx |
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Posts: 1088 (22/07/08 12:44) |
would it be one of his sons who lookes in on here sometimes,like in my avater.
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Posts: 1663 (22/07/08 12:50) |
leso wrote: Leso, Your Albert Pierrpoint reference did not go over my head, (pun intended), but I think you are wrong if you think the grinner is a Hangmans knot. There are distinct differences between the two knots, the main one being that in the hangman's noose the coils encompass the three strands of line and
not the two as they do in the grinner where one one side of the loop is left outside the coils.
I think there are differences between the uni knot and the grinner as well, one of them, (I'm not sure which), puts several twists in the two lines
forming the initial loop before forming the second one and wrapping the coils.
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Posts: 424 (22/07/08 13:14) |
derek2fisherman wrote: You're as easy to catch as a barbel, Derek And I couldn't even see you! Which one is it then?
"Fish don't think. They react."
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Posts: 425 (22/07/08 13:19) |
Titus Aducas wrote: The Grinner has the wraps around the standing line before the big loop is formed. But what difference it makes to the finished knot I'm not sure.
"Fish don't think. They react."
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Posts: 1091 (22/07/08 13:21) |
hi,the one in the middle,the one on the left is chris ball,the one on the right is dr,barrie richards.
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Posts: 426 (22/07/08 13:37) |
Thanks Derek. I know Barrie and have met Chris but had never noticed it was them. Now you mention it it's obvious! Even though the photo is tiny.
"Fish don't think. They react."
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Posts: 5 (22/07/08 13:44) |
The uni knot seems to get mis-labelled as a grinner on many fishing websites. Here's a good video showing how to tie a grinner - Grinner Knot
As for which knot for which line I always test new line with various knots to find the ones most suited to it, I used to use the Mahseer knot for most of my fishing using Daiwa Sensor, then used Krystonite and that prefers the palomar, When I got some Sufix Excelon, it liked the palomar knot as well, but I found that a grinner gave me better reliability with it. I test by tying a short length of line with a swivel at one end and a hook at the other, I hook it onto my digital scales and use an old metal disgorger to pull on the swivel until I get a break, and can see what it snapped at on the digi scales. One thing I've found that effects knot/rig strength is having good swivels and hooks, if your swivel/hook is getting a worn or scratched eye, bin it, it can severly weaken your knots. I thought I had a bad batch of Excelon untill I worked out that the swivel I was testing it with had scratched rings, I swapped to a new swivel for testing and it was nearly 100% reliable. Since then I always make sure my swivels and hooks are in good nick. Probably common sense, but I thought I'd mention it because it was something I'd overlooked, and it's made a big difference to my rigs strength.
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Posts: 186 (22/07/08 14:18) |
i use ---------- knotless / Palomar / hangman's noose.....that just about covers all i need in
knots.............................js.........................
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Posts: 1669 (22/07/08 15:29) |
Inadazedstateofmind wrote: That is a great way of wrecking your scales, a better way of testing would be to fix the swivel end and hang a bag on the hook end. Then fill the bag with stuff, (anything you like), until the hooklength breaks, then weigh the bag with your scales. Doing it this way will not affect the calibration of the internal strain gauge or risk damaging any mechanical linkage which could occur as the hooklength
breaks when it is directly fixed to the scales.
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Posts: 7 (22/07/08 15:34) |
Good idea! Thanks for the tip Titus
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Posts: 1365 (22/07/08 15:46) |
Or buy a set of cheap spring balances,most are accurate enough and its a lot quicker!
Palomar for most things, Double uni for joining lines and the Bimini twist/albright knot for shock leaders. |
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Posts: 428 (22/07/08 15:53) |
This linkeroony made
me think.
"Fish don't think. They react."
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Posts: 1367 (22/07/08 16:26) |
just took a 3ft length of braid and tied one of each versions in either end, pulled it to 28lb and it bust in the middle !
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Posts: 429 (22/07/08 16:57) |
His miserableness wrote: One of each versions of what?
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Posts: 255 (22/07/08 17:02) |
i'd say the combi knot at a guess dave
Kipper Bait 08............applicate presentate obliterate (in my own little world bill
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Posts: 430 (22/07/08 17:29) |
gabby14 wrote: Combi knot? I must have missed that one. Now I'm really confused!
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Posts: 1368 (22/07/08 17:36) |
Sorry to confuse you
 figure of eight loop at one end and a double overhand loop at tother, clear now ? Thought that was what the "linkerooney" was
about !
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Posts: 431 (22/07/08 17:56) |
That was what I thought you'd tried as you said you'd used a 3ft length of braid - but wasn't sure. Then I got even more confused. But that's
nothing new!
I found Ray Marlow's use of the figure 8 loop as a means of joining lines interesting.
"Fish don't think. They react."
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