Please post your Ivel captures here.
Many thanks,
Andy
Many thanks,
Andy
Ivel
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 Andy Frances |
Ivel |
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Posts: 2485 (06/06/08 17:00) |
Andy F
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DawnWatch |
Ivel info | ||
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Posts: 9 (19/06/08 20:55) |
Guys, does anyone have any up to date information on the state of the river in the Biggleswade/Sandy/Blunham areas? I am hoping to start my season in these areas at the weekend and as I have not been able to get to the river for a couple of weeks any general info would be gratefully received. Many thanks. DW. |
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chriszog |
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Posts: 87 (21/06/08 12:03) |
fishing its head off, get out there
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DawnWatch |
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Posts: 10 (21/06/08 21:43) |
Thanks, will take your advice.
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fishyhannibal |
Ivel night fishing ban | ||
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Posts: 5 (22/06/08 22:05) |
Just to let you know that the IPA has banned night fishing and bivies on the backmeadows stretch of the Ivel. Nice new shiny signs fixed to all the gates and
stiles, just so you have no excuses to have missed them. The story goes that 2 non local anglers fishing for barbel on the backmeadows stretch carp style, 2
rods each, buzzers and bivvies pitched on the footpath for a weekend, blocking the path for local residents, dog walkers etc. brought in enough complaints so
that the IPA decided to solve the problem, by a blanket ban on bivvies. which won`t worry many people as there not generaly used for barbel fishing, What
gives me a problem is I now cannot fish one of MY local stretches of the Ivel at night because of the thoughtless actions 2 carpfishing barbel anglers. If the
IPA will do this on this stretch, it would take much for them to ban night fishing on their other stretches. A lesson in not telling the world how good your
stretch of river is!!!!!!!!!!!
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chriszog |
No night fishing | ||
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Posts: 88 (23/06/08 07:41) |
GOOD, its about time they banned it on the rivers if you want to go camping/carping please fish the puddles available.
Probably a lot to do with that bloke from CAT who bivvies up until he catches a double???? |
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Posts: 179 (23/06/08 11:36) |
Why wasn't action taken against the 2 anglers concerned, once again the majority suffer for the actions of 2 idiots. Well done IPA for tarring all anglers
with the same brush instead of dealing with the problem.
Regards Phil
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drennans |
Ivel Night Fishing Ban | ||
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Posts: 39 (23/06/08 15:56) |
Unfortunately this has been on the cards for some time. I agree with a previous comment here about letting others know how good the river is, people sending in photos to the weeklies etc with no thought to at least "protecting" the venue where they have caught. The number of waters where this has happened grows year on year, mainly due to insensitive people who cannot and will not think about others, especially local anglers, and the impacts their actions have. When waters are disclosed as being home to big fish, inevitably the circus comes to town - it has happened in all facets of the sport from Bream, Tench, Chub, Perch and all the other species, and it will continue to do so. However, there is a flip side to that sentiment which is that many of us will have got information / met new friends and fished new venues because of websites like this one that do allow others to see what we say and where we fish, but perhaps we are just more sensitive to those who were there before us or who live there. I also know that many of the members of this site take pictures with backgrounds that don't allow easy identification, and they certainly don't make their swims known. I suspect that from the comment about the CAT contributor you are referring to Phil Smith - someone I have not met personally but I know many others who know him - and I would say in his defence that he does tend to have a wider view of his actions than many people, and with the limited number of times he fished the Ivel, I doubt very much he had much of an impact on what has happened (I may be wrong and happily stand corrected). This practice has been going on for years - one of the main reasons why I witheld details of a 16lb fish for a long time, which was the then river record, and also a major reason why I rarely fish the river now. Lets hope that those responsible for the IPA see that this is a problem fairly specific to that area of the river and no further bans / loss of fisheries comes as a result of the minority. Happy hunting! |
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blankingbloke |
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Posts: 628 (23/06/08 17:10) |
16lb'er from the Ivel? That still would be a river record.
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chriszog |
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Posts: 89 (23/06/08 17:26) |
Oh no it wouldn't????
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blankingbloke |
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Posts: 629 (23/06/08 17:31) |
I thought the record was 15.14..?
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Gudgeonboy |
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Posts: 152 (23/06/08 20:38) |
Good Evening,
Yes, there are new signs up stating the ban on bivvies and night fishing on the back meadows. and yes the bivvy boys might of had an influence on the IPA's decision, but we are all to blame for the river getting busier, the fish have become a victim of their on success and we all want to catch bigger fish, Some more so than others though... Last season there were more and more people fishing the river "Carp style" 2 rods on buzzers, taking up yards of bank with there rods going up and downstream. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own. Just to clarify a couple of points, Chriszog, Phil Smith only fished the river a few times and did NOT use a bivvy. Drennans, Dunny boy or Phil Dunn, which ever you want to call yourself, how can you be critical of other anglers disclosing parts of the river when YOU have written an article about the Ivel in a Barbel Book? Declan, 15lb 14oz is/was the largest reported fish, not the river record ( which are a irrelavant anyway ) Regards Simon |
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stickfisher |
Simon | ||
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Posts: 105 (23/06/08 22:19) |
Simon (Gudgeonboy) Do they give the time you have to be of the water by eg sunset to sunrise, hour after sunset to sunrise or a actual time such as 10pm to 6am. Not that it
will effect me much as only stayed a couple of hours after dark in winter just to let traffic clear.
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Posts: 630 (23/06/08 22:21) |
Hi Simon,
Largest reported fish - river record - same thing isn't it (and pretty irrelevent!).. Any river could have large, caught, but unreported fish.. In fact, Brian Dowling's whole list could be completely inaccuarate.. Anyway, who cares? I just want to catch Barbel! Declan |
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drennans |
The River ivel | ||
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Posts: 40 (24/06/08 11:14) |
Hi Simon
I understand your comment, and I agree it is hard to defend. If asked to do it again (contribute to a book or article like that) would I - no is the answer but it is too late now. I think that what was written in the book was fairly generalistic, even though certain areas were mentioned (although specific swims were not). Also, these were areas where pressure was already being applied. Views change as people get older and perhaps wiser but even so, having written about a stretch of river, I never suggested to anyone they bivvy up, get drunk on the bank, upset local residents and so on, all of which has happened - taken further people have written about venues / rivers since angling began, and I guess we are all guilty of exposing the fishing on the rivers we choose to talk about here or anywhere else - I cannot believe you have never advised people on where to catch fish when they are in your shop as Phil Smith noted in one of his pieces in CAT? As you say, I have been guilty in the past but my views have changed now - better late than never I suppose. Phil |
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Posts: 91 (24/06/08 17:17) |
Its hardly the largest stretch of river in the world that holds barbel, get more than 6 people on it and its busy, Simon, when I saw him he was asleep lying on
a bedchair under a brolly, shant split hairs over what you wish to call it, two rods out sitting on buzzers? Great Angling skill, not, time on your hands yes,
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OUSEMEISTER |
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Posts: 312 (24/06/08 18:02) |
Green eyed monster maybe chriszog, not of the fish caught but the time Phil is prepared to make for his fishing ??? Time plays a major part in everyone's fishing results as without any time any we would catch sod all and so naturally by increasing fishing time we also increase our chances of catching more or bigger fish. But some anglers are naturally gifted at reading conditions and waters to maximise their chances, and many of the 'known' angling celebs/writers (and I would include Phill Smith in this) have this gift or have learnt it over years of time on the bank, or else they would have nothing to set them apart from thousands of other noddies sat on the banks catching far less. In defence of Phill Smith, even if he was asleep behind two buzzers (i'm sure he wouldn't have been bivvied up for an all night session) whats the difference between that and being a purist sat in a chair waiting for a centrepin to screech or even a baitrunner to sound or the line to tighten over a finger, I know I do this on long dark winter nights quite reguarly, do I have to be staring at a tip to make my catches viable in the eyes of others, I try to stay alert because to me the bite is what Barbel fishing is all about, but sometimes my eyes do go and when they do those fish mean no less. Maybe most important of all is that Phil Smith has been fishing for years and still has that enthusiasm to maximise his fishing time and many anglers who have good / exceptional results share this passion also have a deternined approach, maybe at the expense of other things and are then looked upon with jealousy by others who really can't be bothered to make any effort anyway. These armchair anglers are sat at home reading their latest CAT articles or posting %*+@ all over web sites, especially in the winter months while others like Phill Smith will still be out there doing it, and thats what sets good anglers apart. As a last point, I bet in Phil's few short sessions on the Ivel he caught more Barbel than some Ivel regulars that fished it all season 
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Posts: 153 (24/06/08 19:47) |
Evening All,
Phil, Yes I do give people advice, but I do not and will not give people pin point details on were to fish. I'll point them in the right direction, they'll have to use their skill and watercraft to do the rest.Some people would want you to cast out for them too !! I think I would be doing my customers a dis-service if I wasn't able to offer help and advice. Surely that is part of the role of a local tackle shop? There are plenty of things you can help people with that will increase their chance of catching without telling them the best swim,cast here etc.... Declan, biggest reported fish and river record are not the same, bigger fish have been caught but not reported. Stuart, nice post and many a true word.. Enjoy your fishing everyone. Simon |
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PhilSmith1 |
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Posts: 127 (25/06/08 09:42) |
Quite suprised to see my name mentioned here since I've only fished the waters perhaps ten times. Yes, simon did give help on my initial visit to his
shop but only in as much as saying "fish either up or down from the metal bridge". No swims were identified or indeed need , I can find my own way
in that department. Once on the bank I met many anglers who again were quite open with their fishing stories but that's true all around the country.
I never slept on the bank and as many will testify I spend my waiting hours reading a book to a large degree. On the two occasions where I stayed for two days, I fished through to 10:00pm or 11:00pm and then left the water finding an appropriate parking spot on a back road the other side of the main road going past Biggleswade. On that same point I never accually saw anybody else using a bivvy camp either. It does seem a shame if a ban comes in since for many anglers they can only arrive after work and with limited time it can be their only chance to fish. From my point of veiw it makes little difference since nearly all the fish I caught were taken in daylight or within 30 minutes of dusk, but then I have the time to fish through the day durring the week. |
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PAUL ELT2 |
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Posts: 41 (25/06/08 16:08) |
having read the previous few post i feel i need to reply as one who has sent in pictures to the weeklies and perhaps am being accused of ruining the fishing for others. firstly anyone who wants to know what is in the ivel only has to look at the last few comments ie i thought 16 was the record, no theres been bigger etc ..and this has been true in previous seasons , it is not a big secret .failing that just walk the banks, imformation is thrown around like confetti including swims ,bait methods .i have stood next to phil smith when anglers passing by have given away imformation i have spent season learning, not one person had a go about sending his photos in to cat or the AT. in the past year ive seen big barbel in keepnets ,ive seen chub rolled down the bank into the river ,rusty old bed chairs left on the bank to rot for months ,people leaving there rods fishing whilst they wander off and also the bivvy brigade who i spoke to and they were from biggleswade thats what will ruin the ivel not article in a mag.i suspect the true reason for the ban is due to the amount of houses that have sprang up on the banks and inconciderate anglers |
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OUSEMEISTER |
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Posts: 313 (25/06/08 17:13) |
Paul, your pictures have never given anything away in the background so I can't see why anyone should be having a go at you.
The pressure on Ivel fish has at times increased to silly amounts over the past few seasons and like Paul says bad fish handling has been common combined with many anglers using inadequate tackle and getting smashed all to reguarly. All to frequently recognised fish have suffered repeat captures with barely time to catch their breath between visits to the bank and this has all added up to many locals not wanting to fish it anymore, preffering to remember it as it was before the inevitable word got out. A night ban will in some ways be a good thing. Phil, did you manage a Zander from the Cambs water where Stef got caught out on a mobile phone prank by the bogus broken down builder? I have the pranksters number if you would like to get him back 
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