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I still don't know how long the hair is that the fine hair users are mounting their bait on so can't understand why a fine hair might be of benefit, Derek / anybody???


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3and the most difficult one of all is the bait in there mouth without moving at all.

You say the only way to catch these fish is to sight fish for them but this has been the standard problem that carpers have been up against for years and they manage to catch pressured / educated fish over 150 yards away, and they can't see them then! I partly agree (don't collapse in suprise Derek it will probably only happen this once) that sight fishing is a way to catch finicky Barbel.......but not the only way. Carpers manage to over come this same problem time and again with their rigs, maybe your not paying enough attention to yours? As already suggested in this thread Barbel that are inclined to feed can be fed into a frenzy making them almost impossible not to catch, if they are not inclined to feed then probably best to walk on and find some that are.

On rivers where you can't see whats going on its very different as we don't have the benefit of seeing if fish are likely to feed or not and so its a lot harder to judge how long to stay in a swim. When fishing much of the Ouse or other similar rivers I don't think your ever far from being within 'pulling' distance of Barbel, its just whether the fish in a particular area are inclined to feed or not, and by roving more you are not just finding fish, but finding fish that are willling to feed. I don't Barbel fish the summer much through choice as I prefer long dark nights in winter, but summer Barbel need to feed and anyone with a day ahead of them can cover miles of water and many fish, so why do many sit in just one swim all day/night and end up going home with a dry net and convincing themselves that Barbel are hard to catch, don't get me wrong I also blank but not 20-30 sessions on the bounce, thats not fishing its torture!

i will stick it out,wait long enough and they will feed if your using the right bait.

Utter rubbish.

Re: Hair rigs.

I can't believe that you really think that your bait tied to a 1-2" hair acts naturally when tied to a hook and tethered by a lead, try looking closer at it in the water.

A bait tied tight to the hook always goes in the mouth with the bait so even with the most wary of fish if its picking the bait up it can't possibly avoid the chance of being pricked and with modern hooks once pricked they are often in enough to never come out as unlike carp I have never known of a Barbel shake its head, they aren't Harry Houdini and its probably hard to perform in running water. Your hook dangling 1-2" behind your bait could still be outside the lips and never get a hold, maybe thats why you see these fish pick up your bait and rarely hook them!

Derek, I of course bow to your superior knowledge of this and everything else fishing / Barbel related as you are indeed a mind of information, and if ever BFW requires a questions & answers man to run a one stop clinic for perplexed anglers you are indeed the man for the job!

As you appear to be stuck in a time warp, here's a little anology to the Hair Rig, please bare with me, I've kept it simple........

VIAGRA

Not having never suffered from erectile disfunction I have never taken any interest in the little blue pill, but I was stuck at home on Wednesday evening channel hopping and it happened to be on and looked like it might be amusing, but it even turned out to be educating too, so here goes...........

The program was all about Viagra, you know? the little blue pill that pumps blood and new life into needy men. What does Viagra have to do with fishing I hear you ask, well nothing diredtly but please bare with me because the Viagra analogy ( Analogy is the process of transferring information from a particular subject (the analogue or source) to another particular subject) may make your penny finally drop about the HAIR RIG and I'm sure if it does then most of Hampshire will hear the resounding dong as it hits home.

Anyway Viagra .........................



VIAGRA

Now I didn't know this but without going into too much medical history viagra (not originally called Viagra) was originally developed by Pfizer as a drug in 1992 to help men who were suffering from chest pains, and is still used to a lesser extent for this type of medical treatment.

However.............

During early trials of Viagra it had become obvious that many of the men trialling the drug were not returning unused pills and on further investigation it became obvious why, all these men trialling the drug now named Viagra were all experiencing the same outstanding side effects and having the time of their lives! So an original development to overcome one problem was not particuarly successfull but the side effect was a major breakthrough that has changed the world for many people, even if one or two old men are still using it for its original intentions.


So Derek hopefully you can see that something initially invented to help a small number of men has now provided an amazing side effect that has helped millions and millions of men and increased their pleasure & enjoyment BUT importantly this has absolutely nothing to do with the initial thought behind the 'invention'.

Maybe you can now see that the HAIR RIG does work and is one of the modern fishing worlds major breakthroughs but in this day and age it has nothing to do with the original concept of 3" hairs tied for free acting baits the real benefit / breakthrough was the side effect of pricked fish and easier hooking.

If you still can't grip this now then maybe try a little blue pill it might work wonders and make you see things through new eyes

PS, have you caught anything yet?

It was Darrens mention of limpness that got my brain running away with itself

I should really confer with Derek before answering any questions on my own, but I would guess that putting super glue on will not only make it rigid but also brittle and likely to snap off under tension

Did I answer well Derek?

It's very unlikely that a Barbel has bitten you off on the hair, have you looked down their throat to see any teeth?