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sibleygreen	Barbel on the fly	Lead	[-]
Posts: 7 (21/12/07 11:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None While I know this certainly isn't new ground or this thread has been possibly covered before, has anyone else tried this method ?
malc		#1	[-]
Posts: 1112 (21/12/07 12:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am sure Tom R will answer this for you. atb malc It's not the size that counts it's the beauty.
CronkyVoddy		#2	[-]
Posts: 23 (22/12/07 02:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	would like to experiment a bit more. Do a bit for Perch and Pike occaisionally Chub. I believe a good method for the Barbel is short lining, possibly with heavy bugs in deep holes, near bank. Have had 1 small Barbel on hears ear when fishing for Chub. Not quite sure what a 10lb Barbel would do to you wrist muscles tho!! Suppose you would need sommat like an 8/9 weight I guess and plenty of backing!! I do know it has been done. Seen features by Bob James but he's sight fishing and normally the sort of places that I can only dream of. I guess if you are fishing the Severn a lot of the time you would be fishing blind as water is so deep/coloured etc? Would be glad to hear anyone elses tips, hints etc. Have you tried yet? (sibleygreen)
sibleygreen		#3	[-]
Posts: 9 (22/12/07 12:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	CronkyVoddy, haven't tried the method myself......yet. My local is the river nene @ Peterborough and the stretches which I know hold Boris don't lend themselves to flyfishing. Will be joining a few stretches of the Ouse for the 08 season so will take the fly rod with me once I've got to know the water. You are right in the method....short lining czech nymph style or upstream dead drift with heavily weighted bugs, tungsten bead hares ears, woven nymphs, peeping caddis etc. Will only use a 6 weight line though.... Tight lines.
Ian Crook		#4	[-]
Posts: 461 (22/12/07 13:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	An ambition I have also had for some time, just need to find a stretch I can use, most clubs I am a member of either do not allow fly fishing or need to pay an additional amount.............I know the guys that fish for trout on the river enbourne near Newbury regularly hook Barbel. Ian. Ian Crook (Crooky)
kettleon		#5	[-]
Posts: 66 (22/12/07 17:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	often buy various fly magazines and quite a few have pictures of barbel laying up against a nice sage rod,also seem to remember a write-up catching barbel-on-the-fly in a barbel fisher magazine once upon a time tight lines out there
Damian Kimmins		#6	[-]
Posts: 1694 (22/12/07 17:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, I believe BFW's own Jon Berry used to do a bit on the fly rod, I think it was an article he penned.
CronkyVoddy		#7	[-]
Posts: 24 (23/12/07 10:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	sibleygreen wrote: 'will take the fly rod with me once I've got to know the water '. Let me know how you get on as would love to know the results etc. Have fun and tight lines.
sibleygreen		#8	[-]
Posts: 11 (23/12/07 14:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	CronkyVoddy, if you want any flies / heavyweight bugs tying drop me a pm.
matthew hand		#9	[-]
Posts: 649 (23/12/07 15:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, had some on the fly - great sport. But not been out this year. Matt.
Nicepix		#10	[-]
Posts: 467 (23/12/07 17:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's been an ambition of mine for a year or two now. I envisaged wading and fishing weighted caddis upstream Czech nymph style. First year I tried a few times, but never saw any barbel to cast to. This year I have been side-tracked with trying to catch a Dearne monster. One day..............
Tom R		#11	[-]
Posts: 2216 (26/12/07 20:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	There are two ways of doing it: The hard way and cheating. There is a good thread a year or two back where Mathew describes the method he uses on the Wye. Serious sight fly fishing. Here is an alternative method. Ingredients A 8 or 9 # fly rod reel and floating fly line 10lb leader chest waders a team of three flies; a hook wrapped in white wool will do, but make sure the middle fly has a lot of lead on it. 3 pints of white maggots a bait apron a catapult Tactics wade out to a good run where you know barbel can be caught catapult maggots upstream on a regular basis after an appropriate wait for the fish to respond to the loose feed start fishing 'flies' czech nymph style with middle fly bouncing on the bottom. Hit any pause, hold out at end of swing, like holding back on a stick float. Expect loads of lost fish and plenty of chub, roach and dace.
CronkyVoddy		#12	[-]
Posts: 25 (01/01/08 12:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sibleygreen. Thanks for the offer of tying flies up for me, very kind, but I tend to tie all of my own anyway. I think if you are serious about fly fishing then there is nothing better. Have you done any for Pike? Thanks again for the offer and Happy New Year.
sibleygreen		#13	[-]
Posts: 13 (05/01/08 11:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	CronkyVoddy, Spent several seasons fishing for pike on the fly and great fun it was too. I had a 4 piece 9' 9weight hand built and would use a 2/0 or 4/0 hook normally tied bunny bug style but the only down side was they weigh a ton when wet. Used to get some strange looks from other pike anglers using bait but they would always gather round when you hooked a fish !!! Tight Lines.
Tom R		#14	[-]
Posts: 2220 (05/01/08 22:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Sibley and Cronky, Fly fishing for Pike. Have you ever thought of using a double handed fly rod, shooting head and speycast?. It will whack them big pike flies out a lot further than a single hander and in one shot without all that double hauling and ducking. Also allows you yto fly fish in places with no room for a conventional back cast. Was doing it this afternoon on the Severn. Tom
Damian Kimmins		#15	[-]
Posts: 1711 (05/01/08 23:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	John Berry's article from the Barbel Fisher magazine is available to view on the Barbel Society website now. Barbel_Fisher_21 Just click on the link for And Now for Something Completely Different. A pdf will open with the article. Enjoy. Regards, Damian "Whilst developing creativity, also cultivate receptivity. Retain the mind like that of a child, which flows like running water. When considering any thing, do not lose its opposite." Lao Tzu
Tom R		#16	[-]
Posts: 2221 (06/01/08 12:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good introductory article. I noticed the bit about catching cows on the back cast. The best way to avoid this is to learn the basic roll cast and then the speycasts. You can do it from the bank or when wading and it opens up lots of water which is unfishable to the normal overhead cast. Spey casts can be done with a single as welll as a double hander and you are seriously limiting yourself trying to fish on running water without them. Especially overgrow treelined smaller rivers. It isn't that hard to learn and very pleasurable to use. Good exlanation for single handed rods here just scroll down contents: http://www.sexyloops.com/flycasting/contents.shtml
CronkyVoddy		#17	[-]
Posts: 36 (07/01/08 00:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tom R wrote: Fly fishing for Pike. Have you ever thought of using a double handed fly rod, shooting head and speycast?. It will whack them big pike flies out a lot ......... Tom Tom, Not really thought about it as generally I'm fishing quite short line anyway say 5-10 yards max, (normally around 20-25 feet) as where I fish I don't really need to fish further away. Usually casting directly upstream or downstream tight to bank. Occaisionally across and down and let it swing round into bank if under bushes etc. Would possibly cosider it tho if I felt a need to fish at greater distance???? I had a 4 piece 9' 9weight hand built and would use a 2/0 or 4/0 hook Sibleygreen- Know what you mean about large flies. I find using a short polyleader of required density (I actually shorten mine by a foot or so) and quite a strong B/S line or leader to help with turnover and also quite a short trace. Around 9foot maximum. That is leader not trace!!! I prefer flurocarbon as its a bit stiffer than mono. Fly still lands with a bit of a plop sometimes but have found this to be an advantage sometimes as takes have been almost instantaneous, especcially in clear water. I have tried a few bunny leeches but not really experimented to much with them. Prefer bucktail tied upside down with beadchain eyes or similar. Easy to tie!! Not sure I dare say what weight rod I use tho!!!!! Shhhh Have got some 20lb striptease which I'm gonna make a few leaders with as I think because it is a coated braid it may help with turnover??? We'll see. Any opinions? Will let you know any results when the river clears a bit! .............Or if the water temperature rises and the Barbel come back on ! Cheers. Have fun.
CronkyVoddy		#18	[-]
Posts: 40 (08/01/08 21:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sorry, Just realised I'm getting away from the original question a bit. Will let you know if I find any info on FLY and Barbel.
Hydropsyche		#19	[-]
Posts: 361 (10/01/08 22:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Sibleygreen, Not sure whether I'm welcome back on these boards, having been AWOL for some time (!), but just looked in and saw your post, which sounded familiar … I tried some 'barbel flies' a couple of years ago on the Teme. Tied some juicy-looking caddis, worms and other bugs and decided to fish them on 'conventional' coarse fishing tackle… the idea of playing fish on a fly rod worried me, and given there wasn't any need for fancy casting (only a few yards), it seemed unnecessary (having said that, the presentation would have been slightly different, but would that be important?). I deliberately tested the flies out on a 'banker' swim, but had no luck… after several attempts I swapped to a chunk of luncheon-meat and had an immediate take… the fish were there, but not responding to the flies. Conditions at the time were typical for early season on the Teme: slightly coloured water, moving at a good pace. Would I have had more luck in clearer water? Perhaps so. My conclusion was that the fish are more smell than sight feeders, and that fly tactics were just making life difficult! Various other people have definitely had success with this method, and I haven't persevered so can't really comment. I spoke to Bob James at a show a while back who reckoned it worked for him up near Ludlow, and it may also be much more successful in clear-water, southern rivers. Personally, I'll save the flies for predatory, sight-feeding fish (trout, pike etc.) but give up on the barbel. Very interested to hear CronkyVoddy you're succeeding with perch… sounds very logical, but never heard anyone else say so before! Great! Mel
Robbopike		#20	[-]
Posts: 14 (11/01/08 00:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have caught a few Barbel on the fly in the past, mainly Mayfly nymph. I think the reason being that when the Mayfly do start to hatch it is bonanza time for just about everything in and by the river as both fish and birds tend to get tuned in.The nymphs are prolific and everything is on the look out for one, hence I think the success (both the River Teme and the Worfe a tributary of the Severn, mainly the latter) . I have not set out with a fly rod with the intention of catching Barbel, these fish have always been accidental captures when after Trout.

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