I have spoken to a few people on other sites about this, I wanted to try using PVA mesh and using mostly the Korda products for Barbel meaning the methods or rigs etc. I was told this has basically got no place in Barbel fishing as they are thick fish and will take anything on any rig, is this true?
Do Carp rigs etc have their place in Barbel fishing??
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 Ricky25 |
Do Carp rigs etc have their place in Barbel fishing?? |
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Shandybelly |
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mattzzzzzz |
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Posts: 474 (02/03/07 00:14) |
Who says they are carp rigs?
They catch plenty of bream and Barbel The point is they are all rigs designed to catch fish,the benefits of using a pva bag or stick is you keep the feed near to the hookbait until it reaches the bottom and then it releases a nice flavour trail-yes a feeder does the same job but not with large loose pellets like elips or boilies The benefits of a lead clip means it can eject safely(if done correctly)in the event of a snag The benefits of tubing is its abrasion resistance as it is on coated braids-also has anti tangle properties. All not essential but all useful in the right place under the right conditions. Anyway who cares-use what you are comfortable and confident with.  Regards Matt |
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bewdley2 |
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Posts: 888 (02/03/07 00:18) |
At certain times and under certain conditions this would appear to be so. But there are other times when the conditions are adverse, that those anglers who are prepared to experiement with rigs, baits, presentation etc. will be the successful ones at the end of the day. Reward comes through thought, effort and experience...The harder you try the luckier you'll get..Kindest..Jim..
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Ricky25 |
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Posts: 159 (02/03/07 00:34) |
What about back-leads do they work? I was also told these do not work and create more harm then good by creating more line drag and collecting rubbish on the line etc, cheers guys for the replies.
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Severn Wanderer |
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Posts: 1013 (02/03/07 00:36) |
People's vision sometimes gets clouded when they look at rigs, and they say "oh that's a Carp rig" or "oh that's a Barbel rig" and consequently that's all they use them for.
At it's simplest a rig is just a way of presenting a particular bait in a particular way, regardless of the type of fish it was originally designed to fool, or problem it was designed to solve. If you look at it that way then you'll see that a particular rig or design of rig can be used to catch many different kinds of fish in many different circumstances. Pick the rig based on how you want to present the bait. If a "Carp" rig does the trick in a particular circumstance then that's the one to use. Cheers Paul |
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derek2fisherman |
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Posts: 1406 (02/03/07 00:36) |
hi,just like churchill insurance-OH YES.
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mattzzzzzz |
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Posts: 474 (02/03/07 00:36) |
Backleads-down the edge yes,if you cast out more into the flow you will create more of a problem then a cure-try upstreaming instead
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Paul Boote |
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Posts: 2639 (02/03/07 00:38) |
Pretty well anything and everything works for barbel if you think about what you're doing (wherever you are doing it), and, of course, most important, take your litter HOME.
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Ricky25 |
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Posts: 159 (02/03/07 00:41) |
Upstreaming meaning using the "Bow in the line method"? Also what about concealement of Line, rigs etc is this important?
Sorry I ask a lot of questions |
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mattzzzzzz |
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Posts: 474 (02/03/07 00:58) |
If you ledger upstream and put a bow in your line the force of the river should put the first few feet down on the bed
It depends on your chosen river though-any ideas? Trent or Severn or more intimate and slower I should have said that you can backlead on smaller less flowing rivers I was talking about the bigger rivers Regards Matt |
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Ricky25 |
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Posts: 159 (02/03/07 01:27) |
I plan to fish on the Trent in a fast moving stretch, so backleading wouldn't work I guess?
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mattzzzzzz |
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Posts: 474 (02/03/07 01:39) |
A fellow Trenter,
You would be better off either upstreaming or using a long hooklength but to be honest the Trent fish are not riggy at all so I wouldnt get too hung up on it-just go for a standard rig and as long as the bait is good the fish should come Its got a bit of water on at the moment though so a few ounce of lead will be needed-unless you are down the edge  Regards Matt |
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Ricky25 |
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Posts: 159 (02/03/07 02:02) |
Cheers mate.
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Team Barbel |
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Posts: 331 (02/03/07 02:42) |
So Barbel are thick fish and carp are not---- ummmmm must remember that
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The Thatcham Catcher |
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Posts: 181 (02/03/07 13:55) |
Barbel anglers have a lot to learn from carpers, who (in my opinion) are about five years ahead of barbellers in presentation techniques. The evidence of the last couple of years is that they are indeed starting to learn ........ Of course, not everything in carping works for barbel, but applied intelligently you can improve your catch rates considerably by using techniques first developed in the carp world. Barbellers can also learn a lot from match fishermen - particularly in terms of feeding technique and presentation. I have noticed that some of the best barbel catchers graduated from match fishing, where they "learned their trade". I maintain a keen interest in carp fishing and match fishing methods, alert for opportunities to apply techniques to barbel. Steve |
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NoddyT |
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Posts: 479 (02/03/07 19:26) |
I use carp style tactics for most of my chub, barbel, bream and of cause carp fishing. Biggish (2.5oz-5oz) leads, hair rig, boillie, PVA mesh/bags/strings, large method feeders but all hung off a 1.75lb TC feeder rod or 2lb TC barbel rod (except when carping then its out with the electronics). Even leadcore has its place for under roots and weeds margin work.
I find the carp style of terminal tackle when leger fishing produces plenty of fish without the constant annoyance of the sub 3lb varieties that attack worms and 10mm boillies. Korda make some really good stuff, but some is a bit pricey for what it is. But I guess the choice of tactic is what ever floats your boat or sinks your bait. If its what you wanna do dont listen when people slag you off for it. |
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Ricky25 |
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Posts: 159 (02/03/07 20:10) |
Cheers guys you've helped me out a great deal, thank you.
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paraman |
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Posts: 96 (02/03/07 20:38) |
One observation from a carper! I have found that hair rigs where the bait is presented right next to the hook result in more hooked fish, rather than the standard bait away from the hook in carping.
Anyone care to shoot me down? To be old and wise, first you have to be young and stupid!
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ijakk |
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Posts: 2101 (02/03/07 21:02) Banned User |
Quote: Ermm not being funny, but would you care to expand on that a little please. |
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Rutilus |
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Posts: 248 (02/03/07 21:19) |
"Barbel anglers have a lot to learn from carpers, who (in my opinion) are about five years ahead of barbellers in presentation techniques."
Is that all Carp anglers and all Barbel anglers ? Are the Barbel anglers missing a trick that has been in the Carp world for the last 5 years ? What about Tench anglers or Bream anglers how many years are they behind ? Will at some point in the future we all evolve into one or will the Carpies stay that one or ten steps ahead?. |
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