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        <![CDATA[ Hi all,

I was just wondering if it was ok to use fish(y) flavours when using John Baker's Supermilk base-mix, such as Alar Salar or shellfish essence etc

Not sure wether these flavours would combine ok with the base-mix?

Cheers,

Jez. 

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Remember taking a whiff of an old musty bottle in my chemistry lesson once - glacial acetic acid <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ yes i have smelt full strength vinegar and it rips yer nostril linings out Bob<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->  in fact i think it was worse than ammonia<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ It can be a question of concentration. <br>
As I said it (butyric acid) occurs naturally in butter, cheese and other foodstuffs and 'regurgitated' products<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->       but at low concentrations - not in pure liquid form or high concentrations which are dangerous.<br>
<br>
Take this as a comparison - Acetic acid in its concentrated form (and high concentrations in liquids)... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I'm afraid that Chemists have 'decided' to call the same chemical compound various names in an attempt to clarify things.........that is for chemists or not <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->    <br>
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So the synonyms for butyric acid are:<br>
<br>
butanoic acid, n-butanoic acid, butanic acid, n-butyric acid, ethylacetic acid, propylformic acid, 1-propanecarboxylic acid <br>
Molecular formula:... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ is this, Butyric Acid the same as this, Nutrabaits - N-Butyric Acid? whats the 'n-'? anyway, its rather cheap at £4.75! ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Steve... i still keep my eyes open to see how it is progressing. Like i said , i still think that some will eventually have full grown 8 barbules/barbels in the future. I did see and photograph a 6lb barbel from the Middle Avon with four full grown anteriors/fronts a couple of seasons ago.<br>
Still don't know the real reason why, but suggestions have been made about habitat change, i.e. silt, weed etc. In my opinion, the extra fronts could be beneficial for surface fishing in dense weed or... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Ray, <br>
did you ever come to a conclusion about the &quot;extra Barbule&quot; that was covered in Quest for Barbel?<br>
I seem to remember that you were going to carry on the study.<br>
If I remember correctly, you thought it could have been a number of things including additives in meat, maggots etc.<br>
<br>
Sorry if its been covered before.<br>
<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I am guessing that is some kind of milk replacer for young animals, they are all based on skimmed milk powder, with various additives to make them taste nice (to the calves!) including lactose which is a known fish attractor.  Quite a good alternative to give birdfood/fishmeal boilies a milky undertone, however protein wise, they are way down on the usual suspects.  Cheap though, at around £3 for smaller bags, prob cheaper in bulk. <br>
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Andy<br>
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<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Have you tried Speedywean you can get it from most farm merchants, and it is the same milk protein that is used in Active8 ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Those attractor levels sound perfick to me Daran.  If you do go for a milk only, ensure that you add some oil, as there isnt any inherently in the base mix itself...  have a butchers at ones in the Supermarket, the nut based ones dont seem to go solid at low temps ;-)<br>
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Andy ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ so what we can conflude so far is that maybe we could have......<br>
<br>
<br>
enough base mix for 6eggs, (milk protien based say 10oz)<br>
1-2ml of confectionary flavouring....<br>
4 drops of b acid?<br>
<br>
or....<br>
<br>
say 5oz of fishmeal base mix, 5 oz milk protien<br>
1-2ml of savoury smell<br>
4 drops of b acid? ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I use the butyric acid (as i see it) not as an 'attractor' directly but as something that will aid digestion as the more they eat, the bigger they get and the better odds I have of getting a bite. <br>
I use both the butyric acid along with one or two low level dose flavours, plus one or two extra things ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ hi,to be totaly honest ime completely lost on this bait subject,makes you wonder how fish survived without us anglers.regards derek. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Corrr! Ray, i can think of a real good candidate in work to try that theory out on mate<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->   <br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ No problem with that but what will be the outcome relating to 'fish'. If someone over doses the bait, and the fish eats it, what will be the final consequence.<br>
Many anglers 'alien' baits including Meat have added ingredients, chemicals, preservatives, etc so it can be a minefield without knowing the affects on the internal system of the fishes health. When speaking to a scientist about sex change fish and hermaphrodites, he said that there were some additives/ingredients that could... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I am not overly worried about the danger of Butyric Acid, like most things in the correct dose they are not harmful and indeed may be essential.  Most Essential Oils for example would be pretty dangerous if we consumed them by the teaspoon.  I definately wouldnt be worried about the datasheet, you could find one equally scary looking for vinegar or lemon juice for example.<br>
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The most interesting bit in Rays Link was the other one.  Dogs can detect N-butyric at 10 parts per billion.  I... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Ray, just following on from the possible negative effects of Butyric Acid, I did a search on Google &quot;Butyric Acid digestion&quot; and the resulting links state how the production of Butyric Acid in the human body is of benefit, even as a defence for Cancer!<br>
<br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Sandy<br>
Interesting what you say, Ive been using HNV with low confectory flavour on large river {Thames} no prebaiting envolved and had reasonable results in reasonably short time <br>
during autum/early winter<br>
Question for you do you use butyric acid along with any other flavours added like or metioned?<br>
or on its own? <br>
regards kev. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Hi all,<br>
<br>
I was just wondering if it was ok to use fish(y) flavours when using John Baker's Supermilk base-mix, such as Alar Salar or shellfish essence etc<br>
<br>
Not sure wether these flavours would combine ok with the base-mix?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Jez. <br>
<br> ]]></description>

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