Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (tony2canes) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:03:28 GMT

Good thread this one, been following it, an easy points victory for Matt Hand and JW I think.

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (thisisjohn) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:42:58 GMT

Matt, i can remember paying £250 a thousand quite a few years back when i was a game dealer, bloody heck 3o quid a throw to the gun now
also paid 50 quid a thousand for woodies, my how times change but i can understand the charge, we both know running a successful shoot aint...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (dik30) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:26:36 GMT

"a humane job within the law" = we kill the *******

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (matthew hand) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:26:21 GMT

A shot pheasant is charged at £30 to the client. If a shoot works on a good average of 50% return of what is released that means every pheasant is costed as worth £15 whether it makes it to adulthood (run over, eaten by fox, disease) or not. A poult may be cheap, every day it increases in value. The fact that the carcase is virtually worthless (about 50p) afterwards is irrelevant, a waste of good cheap food to the public!! To my mind the economics here work in a very similar way to say any...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (RollingPinBoy) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:13:11 GMT

JB Quote:
"RollingPinBoy, please tell us how you can fence off a river, oh and Barbel are indigenous to the Ouse by the way!"

1. I would get Oliver to nick the riparian ownership documents and let Fagin do the rest!

2. Can you 'prove' that barbel are Indigenous or Native to the Gt.Ouse or the Wensum.
The EA don't believe either, so you will have to prove it somehow.

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (treepeg) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:36:58 GMT

Matt,
pheasants are worth very little once shot, ask any game dealer and you can buy poults for pennies.

also most keeper-ed estates / shoots deal with predators by killing, poisoning and trapping legally or illegally

Barbuscluelus,

fencing off the...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (dik30) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:25:58 GMT

barbuscluelus wrote:
John I can also answer that question for you, 6 years ago our only specimen carp lake, a small venue, suffered fish loses at the hands, or should I say paws, of otters and yes it was quite depressing seeing some of our prized specimens lying dead on the banks. After the initial shock, we in close contact with our...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (Brendon Chase) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:04:21 GMT

Matt,..

You`re talking about potential earnings,...I`m talking of the cost to replace...

To replace, even 100-300 birds, does not cost several thousand pounds....

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (Manmadebyself) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:54:08 GMT

RollingPinBoy, please tell us how you can fence off a river, oh and Barbel are indigenous to the Ouse by the way!
JB

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (matthew hand) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:44:28 GMT

Brendon Chase wrote:
Matt,..

A handful of Pheasants don`t add up to several thousand pounds,...

Mike,..

We`ll agree to disagree,..all the best anyway.

A shot pheasant is charged to the client at about £30 a bird, that may go up this year due to feed costs etc.etc. Most commercial shoots will be 100 - 300 bird days. A handfull of pheasants do add...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (RollingPinBoy) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:04:43 GMT
Because you have fenced your particular lake off from otters, you have then only pushed the problem somewhere else for others to deal with.
Would you have considered fencing off 'your' river, if the otters had done the same, as they did on 'your' lake?
Many would believe that the barbel are indigenous to the GT.Ouse as it is an Eastern side river, and Adams Mill was stocked with over 1,000 barbel some ten years ago by MKAA/EA.

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (barbuscluelus) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:43:04 GMT
John I can also answer that question for you, 6 years ago our only specimen carp lake, a small venue, suffered fish loses at the hands, or should I say paws, of otters and yes it was quite depressing seeing some of our prized specimens lying dead on the banks. After the initial shock, we in close contact with our membership, landowner and the EA sort to rectify the problem by erecting fencing...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (The laird of Hazelford) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:43:17 GMT
I love Otters,........ every carp puddle should have one.

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (Mike W) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:59:46 GMT
Cheers Brendon. No worries.

Hatter LOL. I've been called worse.

Best regards

Mike W

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (Brendon Chase) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:20:57 GMT
Matt,..

A handful of Pheasants don`t add up to several thousand pounds,...

Mike,..

We`ll agree to disagree,..all the best anyway.

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (matthew hand) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:47:55 GMT
All game shoots (commercial and syndicate) are expected to take the predations of protected raptors on the chin. And find legal ways to discourage and prevent those predations - making use of our brains as opposed to brawn - fishery owners can easily do the same. Where there is a will there is a way.

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (hatterbarbel) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:40:58 GMT
Hi men,

27/04/08 20:32 Brendon, thanks for your intelligent reply. My view is that the Otter Trust do not need to be accountable to anyone except the otter.
I think that fishery owners unfortunate enough to be the target of freshly reintroduced/arrived otters need to take it on the chin, at least for the time-being. Thriving carp fishery or not, the otter must eat.

Mike , you nitwit .

Hatter

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (Mike W) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:35:57 GMT

Brendon Chase wrote:
Mike,..

The point I am trying to make is that there is no accountability, by the Otter Trust, in `some` reintroductions,..

I suppose I`m slightly off thread in that I`m talking of the damage to other peoples property, in my example,a thriving Carp Fishery..

The Otter Trust advises owners of inland waters to put up electric fencing,...What I am saying is...If...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (Brendon Chase) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:57:51 GMT
Mike,..

The point I am trying to make is that there is no accountability, by the Otter Trust, in `some` reintroductions,..

I suppose I`m slightly off thread in that I`m talking of the damage to other peoples property, in my example,a thriving Carp Fishery..

The Otter Trust advises owners of inland waters to put up electric fencing,...What I am saying is...If the Otter Trust in their infinate wisdom, decide to reintroduce them into an area where they are,...

Re: Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (Mike W) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:48:49 GMT
Ok, fair enough. I'm not a fluffy bunny lover - I have my views on what we should do with mink and I'm not that well-disposed towards the grey squirrel either. I tend to be a bit of an 'eco-fascist', i.e. I view the introduction of non-indigenous species with alarm due to the effect that can have on delicately balanced ecosystems. I'm not a lover of the cormorant either because they seemed to change their behaviour and head inland to eat when we started to empty the seas,...

Will the Otter bring an end to the golden years of Barbel Fishing?

feeds@yuku.com (GavinHill) — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:45:22 GMT
Hearing that otters are now in the Loddon and will therefore inevitably spread to the Kennet and Thames (if they're not already there anyway) got me thinking.

There was a big discussion about otters at the Trevor West evening in Oxford last year. Some of the Midland lads were saying that their local river seemed devoid of barbel and suspected that the otter was the cluprit. Also if I...